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    Re: New Yorkers Have Mixed Feelings About Ban on Smoking in Parks(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    You make it sound like I desire to be liked by smokers... I don't.

    Well, don't have that issue where I live. Still, that second-hand death rate from guns you refer to is predominately due to illegal use of the product. I would suggest that smoking cigarettes should be illegal in areas where non-smokers and especially children congregate.

    Most intelligent, successful people I know are non-smokers. Then again, I will admit to a selection bias here in that many of my friends are competitive athletes (we don't smoke as a general run) and I do not seek out the friendship of smokers.

    If you want to smoke, do it in places where you won't affect non-smokers. It is that simple. If you don't have children at home, do it there or in your car. Don't do it in a park or on the beach where families are trying to enjoy themselves... and by all means don't do it in a sporting venue where athletes are putting forth maximum athletic effort... drives me nuts...
    You also have selection bias because you seem to think you are superior to smokers. Well, I happen to think I'm superior to people with superiority complexes.

    Since that is pretty much all you said (various shades of "you're evil you're evil you're evil, smokers aren't people and I'm the best") I don't feel a need to address any more of this than that.

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    Re: New Yorkers Have Mixed Feelings About Ban on Smoking in Parks(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Many of the same phonies that want to ban smoking everywhere are for legalizing weed which is worse...Bloomberg is a flaming lib phony himself
    You got a link for that statement? I think smoking cigarettes and marijuana are both unhealthy. Cigarettes are the more addictive of the two. So where do you come up with such trash?

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    Re: New Yorkers Have Mixed Feelings About Ban on Smoking in Parks(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    What's worse about weed?
    Not only is weed smoke just as carinogenic as cigarettes it kills brain cells and alters your psyche....all the things you already know along with the rest of the heads that would never admit it

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    Re: New Yorkers Have Mixed Feelings About Ban on Smoking in Parks(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Not only is weed smoke just as carinogenic as cigarettes it kills brain cells and alters your psyche....all the things you already know along with the rest of the heads that would never admit it
    Weed also happens to have an anti-carcinogenic agent that cancels out the effects of inhaling smoke. Pot smokers, even heavy ones, are a lot less likely to get lung cancer. Marijuana actually isn't proven to permanently damage your brain, though it does cause a dip in mental function while you're high.

    In full disclosure, no, I don't smoke weed. I hate the effect it has on me. But that doesn't mean it's more harmful than cigarettes, which I smoke. It's not.

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    Re: New Yorkers Have Mixed Feelings About Ban on Smoking in Parks(edited)

    I don't agree with most outside smoking bans but I really can't work up a lot of animosity toward them. I am a non-smoker and can't stand to have smoke around me and especially hate it around my sons and it isn't always easy to just move away. I just think it is going to dissipate pretty quickly out in the open so it really isn't a big deal to have smokers in a park, especially if they have smoking areas of the park. It seems especially dumb to just outlaw it altogether instead of setting up smoking areas, like the government does on its properties and they do at many amusement/theme/water parks.
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    Re: New Yorkers Have Mixed Feelings About Ban on Smoking in Parks(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I don't agree with most outside smoking bans but I really can't work up a lot of animosity toward them. I am a non-smoker and can't stand to have smoke around me and especially hate it around my sons and it isn't always easy to just move away. I just think it is going to dissipate pretty quickly out in the open so it really isn't a big deal to have smokers in a park, especially if they have smoking areas of the park. It seems especially dumb to just outlaw it altogether instead of setting up smoking areas, like the government does on its properties and they do at many amusement/theme/water parks.
    Honestly why is it that smokers seem to be looked upon as non-citizens with no rights? I mean this is suppose to be a free country and now in some places they gonna fine us for smoking in PUBLIC Places? This is just not right as smoking is NOT illegal.

    I am starting to think that smokers should ban up and sue the hell out of our gov.
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    Re: New Yorkers Have Mixed Feelings About Ban on Smoking in Parks(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    Honestly why is it that smokers seem to be looked upon as non-citizens with no rights? I mean this is suppose to be a free country and now in some places they gonna fine us for smoking in PUBLIC Places? This is just not right as smoking is NOT illegal.

    I am starting to think that smokers should ban up and sue the hell out of our gov.
    You are a minority now. Less than 1/4 of americans smoke. I can not stand the smell of it. It ruins a car's interior as well as a house.
    I realize there are some courteous smokers who make attempt to avoid smoking around others.

    But as I was told when I was a teenager, "You are judged by the friends you keep". If you look around at our sidewalks and streets you see the debris from smokers. Before you go off on about other litter that is a problem too no doubt. But in pure number of debris the butt is the leader it often seems.

    No matter what good points some may bring up here, the smoker is the next dinosaur.
    It is hard to find any sympathy for one's addiction. Cowboy up and go cold turkey or continue to become more and more frustrated. Of course the more you become frustrated the more you need a cig and the cycle continues.......

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    Re: New Yorkers Have Mixed Feelings About Ban on Smoking in Parks(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    You also have selection bias because you seem to think you are superior to smokers. Well, I happen to think I'm superior to people with superiority complexes.

    Since that is pretty much all you said (various shades of "you're evil you're evil you're evil, smokers aren't people and I'm the best") I don't feel a need to address any more of this than that.
    Well, if you are stupid enough to smoke then well perhaps non-smokers ARE superior to you...
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    Re: New Yorkers Have Mixed Feelings About Ban on Smoking in Parks(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    Honestly why is it that smokers seem to be looked upon as non-citizens with no rights? I mean this is suppose to be a free country and now in some places they gonna fine us for smoking in PUBLIC Places? This is just not right as smoking is NOT illegal.

    I am starting to think that smokers should ban up and sue the hell out of our gov.
    And of course, smokers don't have the right to enjoy public places without being inundated with cigarette smoke? Legal products can and are regulated and restricted in their use all the time.
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    Re: New Yorkers Have Mixed Feelings About Ban on Smoking in Parks(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    Honestly why is it that smokers seem to be looked upon as non-citizens with no rights? I mean this is suppose to be a free country and now in some places they gonna fine us for smoking in PUBLIC Places? This is just not right as smoking is NOT illegal.

    I am starting to think that smokers should ban up and sue the hell out of our gov.
    What specific right am I trying to keep you from? Last I checked, there are plenty of things that people cannot do in a public place that are completely legal to do at home/in other places. Most public places do not allow you to drink, but it is legal to do at home/in other places. Most public places do not allow you to get naked and/or require that you have on a minimum amount of clothing, while you are completely able to get naked in private. Many public places do not allow you to have dangerous items or potentially dangerous items in the area, such as glass containers, needles, knives, etc. (depending on the place), but these things are all legal to own. Many public places do not allow a gun to be displayed, some do not allow a gun at all, while owning a gun is protected specifically by the Constitution. Riding a bike, scooter, skateboard, or being on skates except in certain designated areas is prohibited in many, many places, yet owning all these things and doing all these activities are legal.

    I have said that I really don't agree with outdoor smoking bans, for the most part, but that if they are implemented, there should at least be a designated smoking area. What we can and cannot do in public or in certain public places is restricted all the time for the prevention of harm to others. You are not being singled out, nor is their not a reason to have smoking bans, it is just that some of them go too far. You don't like, get together and try to get it changed instead of complaining about how people are trying to treat you as a second-class/non- citizen because of your (potentially dangerous to others) bad habit. No specific rights, guaranteed rights are being denied to you, no more than the bicyclists, skater, out-of-a-glass-bottle or alcohol drinker, nudist, and others.
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