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    Re: New Yorkers Have Mixed Feelings About Ban on Smoking in Parks(edited)

    You guys realize, I hope, that New York City is not the only municipality seeking to protect the rights of non-smokers in public spaces. Something like 500 cities have done the same thing, including Boston. Smokers have to understand that the rest of us really don't want to smell their crap when we are enjoying a family outing with the kids at the park or the beach. I would not object to special zones for smoking, but most smokers I know and see simply do not seem to care that we, the majority, don't want to put up with their crap.

    I have, after quite a long time of dealing with the bad attitude of smokers, come to the conclusion that tobacco should be criminalized. Ban the garbage. It serves no useful purpose anyway...
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    Re: New Yorkers Have Mixed Feelings About Ban on Smoking in Parks(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    I am very anti-smoking, but the threat of the use of violence is way over the top. At the most, I would politely suggest that this is not a healthy habit and others don't want to smell your smoke, but to take a swing at you... that is definitely not acceptable...
    I would suggest it's not anyone's place to tell me it's an unhealthy habit. We know. It's not like we mistake a pack of cigarettes for a serving of fruit.

    Like I said, I don't walk up to fat people chowing down and tell them they should really consider their health.

    I am very conscientious about how much my smoking is affecting others. Some people prefer not to be around it, and I prefer to smoke alone - it's unwinding time for me. I don't give people a reason to tell me I'm interfering with their space of their wishes.

    I don't want to smell car exhaust. I don't want to smell sewers. I don't want all kinds of things. Still not my place to publicly shame people.

    Although I recognize this is a far more moderated view than taking a swing, and I appreciate your recognition of how wrong that is, I still must disagree.

    Has it occurred to you smokers have a bad attitude people people think it's ok to antagonize them?
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    Re: New Yorkers Have Mixed Feelings About Ban on Smoking in Parks(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    You guys realize, I hope, that New York City is not the only municipality seeking to protect the rights of non-smokers in public spaces. Something like 500 cities have done the same thing, including Boston. Smokers have to understand that the rest of us really don't want to smell their crap when we are enjoying a family outing with the kids at the park or the beach. I would not object to special zones for smoking, but most smokers I know and see simply do not seem to care that we, the majority, don't want to put up with their crap.

    I have, after quite a long time of dealing with the bad attitude of smokers, come to the conclusion that tobacco should be criminalized. Ban the garbage. It serves no useful purpose anyway...
    Oh. Well. Hell. If 500 cities have done it, then it must be the right thing to do.

    The mayor of Dallas was asked why he wanted to, as he put it, "strengthen the smoking ban." He said other cities are doing it and Dallas should be no different. That was it. "All the kids are doing it."

    The smokers who have posted thus far have described personal experiences where we have gone out of our way to avoid bothering non-smokers, and have still had to put up with nonsense, and in Nomad's experience, the threat of violence.

    Because you don't like the smell? Are there no other outdoor odors you find unpleasant? A passing bus, perhaps? A garbage can?

    Get a grip.
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    Re: New Yorkers Have Mixed Feelings About Ban on Smoking in Parks(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    I would suggest it's not anyone's place to tell me it's an unhealthy habit. We know. It's not like we mistake a pack of cigarettes for a serving of fruit.

    Like I said, I don't walk up to fat people chowing down and tell them they should really consider their health.
    I actually DO make that suggestion to people I know as well as to my students. However, there is an important difference. When you smoke, you are releasing smoke that everyone in your vicinity can smell. This is typically not the case with people eating junk food. Even I eat a bag of Doritos on occasion, but no one is going to accuse me of not being fit and healthy...

    I am very conscientious about how much my smoking is affecting others. Some people prefer not to be around it, and I prefer to smoke alone - it's unwinding time for me. I don't give people a reason to tell me I'm interfering with their space of their wishes.
    I am glad you are conscious of the fact that many of us don't want to be influenced by your poison. Please teach your fellow smokers the same consideration.

    I don't want to smell car exhaust. I don't want to smell sewers. I don't want all kinds of things. Still not my place to publicly shame people.
    Nor do I. Government has the right to regulate it and it should be more strictly regulated than it is. However, remember that cars and other automotive transportation serve a vital part of our economy. Tobacco simply does not serve that same purpose. Similarly, sewers are a vital public function. Smoking is not.

    Although I recognize this is a far more moderated view than taking a swing, and I appreciate your recognition of how wrong that is, I still must disagree.

    Has it occurred to you smokers have a bad attitude people people think it's ok to antagonize them?
    If you respect my rights as a non-smoker, I am not going to antagonize you. I save that for smokers who choose to light up in places where non-smokers are congregating, in places where it is illegal, and in places where there are many children around.
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    Re: New Yorkers Have Mixed Feelings About Ban on Smoking in Parks(edited)

    States benefit from smokers. This is from an anti-tobacco website

    Put simply, the increased tax per pack brings in more new state revenue than is lost from the related reductions in the
    number of packs sold and taxed in the state. Moreover, the substantially higher revenue levels enjoyed by
    those states that significantly increase their cigarette tax rates persist over time (while the cost savings from
    the related smoking declines grow rapidly).
    Take a look at the revenue these states brought in from taxing smokers.

    http://www.tobaccofreekids.org/resea...s/pdf/0098.pdf

    The cig tax is the golden goose. Thank a smoker.

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    Re: New Yorkers Have Mixed Feelings About Ban on Smoking in Parks(edited)

    I don't consider it worthwhile or necessary to tell people those things. Smokers know it's unhealthy. Fat people know it's unhealthy. Telling them so is redundant and antagonistic. There's no reason to bother, unless you want someone to dislike you.

    I don't like knowing there are people with guns walking around. Guns have a much higher second-hand death rate than cigs. In fact, between the two, they have the only proven second-hand death rate.

    You think there's no good reason to smoke? You're very wrong. Bare with me.

    Highly intelligent and highly successful people are prone to two things. Mental illness, and smoking. Why? Because the latter helps the former more consistently than just about anything I'm aware of. It actually improves concentration, and is an anti-depressant.

    There are smokeless, spitless alternatives I think more smokers should be aware of - they carry a fraction of the risk and almost as much efficacy (because there's no doubt that while it may help your brain, smoking kills your body). Nicotine is being investigated as a Parkinson's drug, and a psychiatric drug. MAOI's, the other main drug in tobacco, is already a prescribed anti-depressant. And the only type that's proven to actually work. Nicotine also helps with ADD/ADHD, reduces risk of Alzheimers, and all sorts of other things. The only risk of nicotine by itself is that it's a stimulant in the same league as coffee, and thus a mild vasoconstrictor. It's combining it with combustion that makes it deadly

    Tobacco is actually a very medically useful substance.

    I'm not debating smoke sucks. I'm not debating it will probably kill you eventually. But, I am offering an often-overlooked aspect to it. Simply for your consideration of debate.

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    Re: New Yorkers Have Mixed Feelings About Ban on Smoking in Parks(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Crosscheck View Post
    But they sell condoms legally.
    Using condoms outside doesn't make them safer for everyone involved.

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    Re: New Yorkers Have Mixed Feelings About Ban on Smoking in Parks(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    I don't consider it worthwhile or necessary to tell people those things. Smokers know it's unhealthy. Fat people know it's unhealthy. Telling them so is redundant and antagonistic. There's no reason to bother, unless you want someone to dislike you.
    You make it sound like I desire to be liked by smokers... I don't.

    I don't like knowing there are people with guns walking around. Guns have a much higher second-hand death rate than cigs. In fact, between the two, they have the only proven second-hand death rate.
    Well, don't have that issue where I live. Still, that second-hand death rate from guns you refer to is predominately due to illegal use of the product. I would suggest that smoking cigarettes should be illegal in areas where non-smokers and especially children congregate.

    You think there's no good reason to smoke? You're very wrong. Bare with me.

    Highly intelligent and highly successful people are prone to two things. Mental illness, and smoking. Why? Because the latter helps the former more consistently than just about anything I'm aware of. It actually improves concentration, and is an anti-depressant.

    Most intelligent, successful people I know are non-smokers. Then again, I will admit to a selection bias here in that many of my friends are competitive athletes (we don't smoke as a general run) and I do not seek out the friendship of smokers.

    There are smokeless, spitless alternatives I think more smokers should be aware of - they carry a fraction of the risk and almost as much efficacy (because there's no doubt that while it may help your brain, smoking kills your body). Nicotine is being investigated as a Parkinson's drug, and a psychiatric drug. MAOI's, the other main drug in tobacco, is already a prescribed anti-depressant. And the only type that's proven to actually work. Nicotine also helps with ADD/ADHD, reduces risk of Alzheimers, and all sorts of other things. The only risk of nicotine by itself is that it's a stimulant in the same league as coffee, and thus a mild vasoconstrictor. It's combining it with combustion that makes it deadly

    Tobacco is actually a very medically useful substance.

    I'm not debating smoke sucks. I'm not debating it will probably kill you eventually. But, I am offering an often-overlooked aspect to it. Simply for your consideration of debate.
    If you want to smoke, do it in places where you won't affect non-smokers. It is that simple. If you don't have children at home, do it there or in your car. Don't do it in a park or on the beach where families are trying to enjoy themselves... and by all means don't do it in a sporting venue where athletes are putting forth maximum athletic effort... drives me nuts...
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    Re: New Yorkers Have Mixed Feelings About Ban on Smoking in Parks(edited)

    Many of the same phonies that want to ban smoking everywhere are for legalizing weed which is worse...Bloomberg is a flaming lib phony himself

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    Re: New Yorkers Have Mixed Feelings About Ban on Smoking in Parks(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Many of the same phonies that want to ban smoking everywhere are for legalizing weed which is worse...Bloomberg is a flaming lib phony himself
    What's worse about weed?
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