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Supreme Court backs Arizona immigration law that punishes businesses

We are a Nation of Laws if you don't like them change them. In the mean time don't bitch about them.

bitching about them is an effective way of getting them changed
your post reminds me of the 'love it or leave it' position of the reich wing during the vietnam war
 
I have been ranting about this for years. They only way to curb illegal immigration is to take away their ability to make a living here. And you do that by fining or jailing employers who hire them. This has been a long time coming, but it is now here. The downside is that this is only in Arizona, which means that illegals there will come to Texas, or go to New Mexico or other states. Punishing employers who break the law needs to be done nationally.

This will go a long way to curbing illegal immigration, but it won't do it by itself. There still needs to be border securement.
 
I suppose we will now see a lot of Conservatives screaming bloody murder at states blatantly engaging in unconstitutional union busting.

I would just be happy to see unions start paying taxes.
 
This will go a long way to curbing illegal immigration, but it won't do it by itself. There still needs to be border securement.

I agree. Not every person here illegally is here for jobs. Some are here to pop out anchor babies,Some are here to milk the system and some are here to do crimes other than illegal immigration.
 
This will go a long way to curbing illegal immigration, but it won't do it by itself. There still needs to be border securement.

and all States need to pass similar laws. If not the illegal aliens will just go to another state.
 
and all States need to pass similar laws. If not the illegal aliens will just go to another state.

Yeah, they have been flooding my state (California) because we treat them better than we treat legal citizens.
 
Good news for my state. Even though it is Napolitano's law originally, it does set some precedence for our next battle-- AZ SB1070. Go, AZ!!
 
Good news for my state. Even though it is Napolitano's law originally, it does set some precedence for our next battle-- AZ SB1070. Go, AZ!!

What is your take on Napolitano? She seems to be very opposed to such laws now that she is an Obama appointee.

I just get the feeling that she regrets having signed that law now. Has she changed a lot from when she was Gov. of AZ?
 
I'm new here, not sure of the rules yet...let me say I can't stand Jan Nap. At one point she DID allow troops on the border during Bush, for a short while, and it helped. AZ is much happier with Brewer, if you talk majorities. One of my fav things about Obama is that he took Jan Nap. out of AZ. We are grateful for that, and it scares me that she is in her current position. I think it is all part of this NAU thing. That is about the only excuse I can come up with for the way the Feds handle the borders. Not knowing the rules here, I had better stop now. Also-- better go find the COC.....
 
It is a sad day when the States have enforce Federal law because those in charge refuse ti do it.

Obama took an oath of office that says he will protect and defend the Constitution and he has on more than one occasion violated the oath .

As a former office holder I have taken an oath and I will never violate it Obama is in violation of Article 4 Section of the Constitution.

This alone is cause for impeachment.
 
Terrible when a state gets sued by her own country for trying to enforce the laws of the land. And-- thank you for your service to the country, sir.
 
Excellent news. I fully support this.
 
There seems to be a lot of Obama-hate here, as if he is the mastermind behind hiring illegals.

The law is a great idea, but instead of cracking down on the president, you should crack down on the actual source of the problem which is business and industry. They are the ones hiring illegals because they don't want to hire you. You are expensive and come with a sense of entitlement which is your right to an extent, but if they can pay him less than they are going to say F you.

What I think will happen is if they actually do pass a federal law that says hiring aliens is illegal, these businesses will simply outsource outside the border and the only jobs you'll gain is shipping them to and fro.
 
What makes our Nation special is our respect for the laws of the land.


Obama has failed to obey the laws in so many issues it hard to lidt them all.
 
This will go a long way to curbing illegal immigration, but it won't do it by itself. There still needs to be border securement.

And also the removal of anchor babies and public services. If a illegal immigrant had a child but is refused employment they can receive government assistance on the child. I feel only going part way by making jobs harder to obtain is only going to compound the problem.
 
Not hiring illegals is just part of the problem. AZ uses E-verify, and everything else the FEDS will allow us, and even that is not fool proof. The illegals have such a huge support network in side the USA they have false, CLEAN and usable SS# that can pass E-verify. Boots on the ground is what we need. We are now going to build our own fence, and even with that we still need boots on the ground. As it is we are losing this battle, and the Feds are lying when they say otherwise. Want to see the fence??
 
We are a Nation of Laws if you don't like them change them. In the mean time don't bitch about them.

"Obamacare" is the law. If you don't like it, change it. In the mean time don't bitch about it.
 
Good. If illegals could not get work here in the first place, illegal immigration would not be the immense social and economic drain that it has become.
 
Obama is not happy with this ruling because it sets a precedent for state rights on enforcement of federal immigration law.

This is huge because it pulls the legs out from under the pro-terrorist groups who think we should have open borders so anyone can get into the USA without identification.

The sad thing is you want to give potential terrorists the right to drive, get a job, and do whatever they need to do once they get here illegally.

WTF? Where did I say anything like that.

I ****ing said I'm in favor of the law.
 
WTF? Where did I say anything like that.
you didn't
I ****ing said I'm in favor of the law.
like me, and many others
but unlike the national chamber of commerce. being expected to hire employees who are not illegals pissed off much of the business sector
 
This new law (which I am for) may experience problems with clogging the AZ court system. The accused employers will have photocopies of ID cards and SS cards from the illegals that they hire. If the illegals all used the same SS card, the employer may lose the case, but if they have various SS card numbers in their files, they may receive a dismissal. Either way, every employer's attorney is going to fight the allegations. Count on it.
 
You don't know how Obama reacted to this, because he didn't sue Arizona over this law. He sued over a different law that does overreach.

This law is fine.

NOTE: The federal law bans "criminal or civil sanctions (other than through licensing and similar laws) upon those who employ … authorized aliens."

In other words, the Arizona law takes away a license. It doesn't impose criminal or civil penalties (the latter half of that assertion is questionable, but is now law).

I can see why the Chamber is against this though. And I'm a little surprised that some "small-government" types celebrate this the way they do. This essentially says that entrepreneurship is a privilege to be granted and taken away by the state (and I agree it is). But you have to admit it's a huge government intrusion into business.

SB1070 is solely about government intrusion into individual liberty (i.e. - a cop can suspect anyone who looks "foreign" and request proof of citizenship, while this law requires proof of violation of law).

Seems to me that it solves a states' rights issue, which is supported by conservatives.
 
and all States need to pass similar laws. If not the illegal aliens will just go to another state.

It's already illegal to hire an illegal alien.
 
I have been ranting about this for years. They only way to curb illegal immigration is to take away their ability to make a living here. And you do that by fining or jailing employers who hire them. This has been a long time coming, but it is now here. The downside is that this is only in Arizona, which means that illegals there will come to Texas, or go to New Mexico or other states. Punishing employers who break the law needs to be done nationally.

The only way to solve the real problem of illegal immigration is to find out how to stop Mexico from sucking so much.
 
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