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    Re: Supreme Court backs Arizona immigration law that punishes businesses

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    No, although I thought the employer rules were in the same bill.
    This law was signed by the current head of Homeland Security and former AZ Governor, Janet Napolitano back in 2007.

    I would give anything to see what her reaction was upon hearing this news now that she is an Obama puppet. I know how Holder and Obama reacted; they weren’t happy.

    I’m checking home prices in AZ as we speak.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Arizona immigration law that punishes businesses

    I suppose we will now see a lot of Conservatives screaming bloody murder at states blatantly engaging in unconstitutional union busting.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Arizona immigration law that punishes businesses

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    This law was signed by the current head of Homeland Security and former AZ Governor, Janet Napolitano back in 2007.

    I would give anything to see what her reaction was upon hearing this news now that she is an Obama puppet. I know how Holder and Obama reacted; they weren’t happy.

    I’m checking home prices in AZ as we speak.
    You don't know how Obama reacted to this, because he didn't sue Arizona over this law. He sued over a different law that does overreach.

    This law is fine.

    NOTE: The federal law bans "criminal or civil sanctions (other than through licensing and similar laws) upon those who employ … authorized aliens."

    In other words, the Arizona law takes away a license. It doesn't impose criminal or civil penalties (the latter half of that assertion is questionable, but is now law).

    I can see why the Chamber is against this though. And I'm a little surprised that some "small-government" types celebrate this the way they do. This essentially says that entrepreneurship is a privilege to be granted and taken away by the state (and I agree it is). But you have to admit it's a huge government intrusion into business.

    SB1070 is solely about government intrusion into individual liberty (i.e. - a cop can suspect anyone who looks "foreign" and request proof of citizenship, while this law requires proof of violation of law).

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Arizona immigration law that punishes businesses

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I suppose we will now see a lot of Conservatives screaming bloody murder at states blatantly engaging in unconstitutional union busting.
    I have read the constitution and it doesn’t say anything about unions. How you jump to the conclusion you make is beyond me but that is for a different forum. This forum is about the SCOTUS ruling on an AZ law that has nothing to do with the unions.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Arizona immigration law that punishes businesses

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    You don't know how Obama reacted to this, because he didn't sue Arizona over this law. He sued over a different law that does overreach.

    This law is fine.

    NOTE: The federal law bans "criminal or civil sanctions (other than through licensing and similar laws) upon those who employ … authorized aliens."

    In other words, the Arizona law takes away a license. It doesn't impose criminal or civil penalties (the latter half of that assertion is questionable, but is now law).

    I can see why the Chamber is against this though. And I'm a little surprised that some "small-government" types celebrate this the way they do. This essentially says that entrepreneurship is a privilege to be granted and taken away by the state (and I agree it is). But you have to admit it's a huge government intrusion into business.

    SB1070 is solely about government intrusion into individual liberty (i.e. - a cop can suspect anyone who looks "foreign" and request proof of citizenship, while this law requires proof of violation of law).
    Obama is not happy with this ruling because it sets a precedent for state rights on enforcement of federal immigration law.

    This is huge because it pulls the legs out from under the pro-terrorist groups who think we should have open borders so anyone can get into the USA without identification.

    The sad thing is you want to give potential terrorists the right to drive, get a job, and do whatever they need to do once they get here illegally.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Arizona immigration law that punishes businesses

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    I have read the constitution and it doesn’t say anything about unions. How you jump to the conclusion you make is beyond me but that is for a different forum. This forum is about the SCOTUS ruling on an AZ law that has nothing to do with the unions.
    Well I mentioned it mostly because conservatives like yourself seem to be so invested in 'protecting' the workers in their state while attacking the unions which represent so many of those workers. As far as your commentary on the Constitution goes, I'm not even sure what it has to do with anything. There are many rights not enumerated in the Constitution which are constitutionally protested anyways. As far as the constitution not saying anything about unions... that's just an asinine comment considering the history of unions which have succesfully argued that the right of assembly clause protects unionization.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Arizona immigration law that punishes businesses

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Well I mentioned it mostly because conservatives like yourself seem to be so invested in 'protecting' the workers in their state while attacking the unions which represent so many of those workers. As far as your commentary on the Constitution goes, I'm not even sure what it has to do with anything. There are many rights not enumerated in the Constitution which are constitutionally protested anyways. As far as the constitution not saying anything about unions... that's just an asinine comment considering the history of unions which have succesfully argued that the right of assembly clause protects unionization.
    Unless you think the second amendment gives me the right to bear arms anywhere I want and of any nature I choose, bazookas, tanks, nukes etc. your comments about union’s constitutional rights are just silly because the second amendment is clearly written in the constitution but it is regulated while the rights of unions isn’t written in the constitution and only a nut job would claim it can’t be regulated.

    Now get back on topic or stop posting to this thread.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Arizona immigration law that punishes businesses

    While I do think that the problem of illegal immigration should be dealt with on a federal level and not a state one, I have trouble being too upset about this, since I've been advocating for laws like this for quite some time now, and the federal government shows zero interest in passing them.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Arizona immigration law that punishes businesses

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I suppose we will now see a lot of Conservatives screaming bloody murder at states blatantly engaging in unconstitutional union busting.
    What the hell does Union thuggery have to do with the subject at hand.

    See we can change the focus of the argument too.

    I have studied the Constitution and I don't for the life of me remember seeing a word about Unions in it.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Arizona immigration law that punishes businesses

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I suppose we will now see a lot of Conservatives screaming bloody murder at states blatantly engaging in unconstitutional union busting.
    Wait, what?

    Anyway, good for SCOTUS. It has always been a supply and demand issue. As long as there is a demand for cheap labor, there's going to be people crossing the border. If businesses stop hiring illegal immigrants, illegal immigrants will have less reason to come here.
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