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    Re: Texas Governor Won't Rule Out 2012 Run

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    Being that I'm a guy, I can't speak to which procedure is more or less invasive. However, I have to agree with BWG on this one. For a political party that was screaming that Democrat reforms were "getting between you and your doctor" or "government takeover of health care" or "government taking away your rights and telling you what to do", I find it very interesting that people (in TX) (women in general) aren't screaming about this measure.

    What benefit could there be in "mandating" that a woman have a sonogram of this particular type prior to having an abortion?
    To be clear, I am against mandating that a woman view and listen to the sonogram procedure prior to the abortion, as I feel it is nothing more than punishment for performing an action that the legislature overwhelmingly opposes on the basis of their personal morality. The state legislates within the healthcare field in many ways that people don't clamor about. I think the issue here is the intent.

    That said, I don't know of an abortion provider who doesn't require that a sonogram be performed prior to the procedure to determine how far along the pregnancy is, where the fetus is located, and how large the fetus is (necessary to ensure that the proper tools are utilized during the procedure). Early in the pregnancy a vaginal sonogram is the best way to get this information.
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    Re: Texas Governor Won't Rule Out 2012 Run

    Tessaesque,

    So, if sonograms are part of routine medical exams for women who are pregnant, why impose such a mandate on women? If you really sit back and think about it, this is nothing more than an attempt to scare young women from having abortions. Moreover, wouldn't mandating this procedure in this way increase health care costs for women who seak abortions? You said it yourself:

    I don't know of an abortion provider who doesn't require that a sonogram be performed prior to the procedure to determine how far along the pregnancy is, where the fetus is located, and how large the fetus is (necessary to ensure that the proper tools are utilized during the procedure). Early in the pregnancy a vaginal sonogram is the best way to get this information.
    So, if a sonogram is done as a matter of routine why mandate one be done by law?

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    Re: Texas Governor Won't Rule Out 2012 Run

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Tessaesque,

    So, if sonograms are part of routine medical exams for women who are pregnant, why impose such a mandate on women? If you really sit back and think about it, this is nothing more than an attempt to scare young women from having abortions. Moreover, wouldn't mandating this procedure in this way increase health care costs for women who seak abortions? You said it yourself:



    So, if a sonogram is done as a matter of routine why mandate one be done by law?
    I'm agreeing that the law should be overridden. I'm not arguing that at all. All I'm saying is that it's more the intent of the law that's the problem.
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    Re: Texas Governor Won't Rule Out 2012 Run

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    for the record, having had both a vaginal sonogram and a yearly woman's exam, the sonogram is far, far less invasive.
    What makes you think BWG doesn't understand this as well as you do?
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    Re: Texas Governor Won't Rule Out 2012 Run

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    What makes you think BWG doesn't understand this as well as you do?
    Because he's never had a vaginal sonogram or a pap smear?
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