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    Senate moves Patriot Act toward extension

    I have mixed feeling about this. On the one hand, as you will find in the article, it risks infringing free speech and guarantees against unreasonable searches and seizures.

    On the other it had been used to catch a few bad guys.

    Still there is the case of a Strip Club in San Diego where political corruption was the issue and they used the Patriot act to listen into conversations via On Star to gain convictions.

    BTW they never had a warrant, and it held up on a slew convictions.

    Senate moves Patriot Act toward extension - FoxNews.com
    Squeezed against a deadline, the Senate late Wednesday moved past a standoff over a four-year extension of the anti-terror Patriot Act before part of it expire.

    An agreement to hold a test vote early Thursday was the first progress all week toward resolving an impasse between Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and tea party favorite Rand Paul, R-Ky., before three provisions of the act expire at midnight Thursday. Just before he closed the Senate on Wednesday night, Reid said there likely would be votes on amendments to the extension.

    That could go a long way toward meeting Paul's demand that Reid make good on a promise earlier this year to hold a full debate on proposed changes to the post-9/11 law, which empowers the government to find terrorists on American soil. Paul and other civil libertarians of both parties say the Patriot Act should be reconsidered or repealed outright because it risks infringing free speech and guarantees against unreasonable searches and seizures

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    Re: Senate moves Patriot Act toward extension

    Glad its being extended. Patriot will continue in the method it has over the past decade. The questionable and downright over the line portions of it will be stripped out through legislation and the court system, while the vast majority of the bill that is good, sound, and needed law that would never pass currently due to the partisan stigma now attached to it styas on the books. Its ridiculous to suggest our intelligence and survelliance laws should be based off things written in a time where the notion of a PAGER was science fiction, let alone a world where our phones can be as small as a driver's liscense and are so much more powerful then what was available then in giant mainframes that its like comparing a Model T to a 2011 Ferrari.

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    Re: Senate moves Patriot Act toward extension

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    I have mixed feeling about this. On the one hand, as you will find in the article, it risks infringing free speech and guarantees against unreasonable searches and seizures.

    On the other it had been used to catch a few bad guys.

    Still there is the case of a Strip Club in San Diego where political corruption was the issue and they used the Patriot act to listen into conversations via On Star to gain convictions.

    BTW they never had a warrant, and it held up on a slew convictions.

    Unless they get a warrant, the government has absolutely no business placing taps on phone lines, listening in on any American's conversations and or digging in on any American's records.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Senate moves Patriot Act toward extension

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    I have mixed feeling about this. On the one hand, as you will find in the article, it risks infringing free speech and guarantees against unreasonable searches and seizures.

    On the other it had been used to catch a few bad guys.

    Still there is the case of a Strip Club in San Diego where political corruption was the issue and they used the Patriot act to listen into conversations via On Star to gain convictions.

    BTW they never had a warrant, and it held up on a slew convictions.
    Here I thought that the Patriot Act was to be used to catch terrorists™.

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    Re: Senate moves Patriot Act toward extension

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    Here I thought that the Patriot Act was to be used to catch terrorists™.
    Terrorists is defined as anything or anyone who happens to say anything bad about the government. The whole of the PA should be let go, but government does not readily let go of power it usurped.
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    Re: Senate moves Patriot Act toward extension

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Glad its being extended. Patriot will continue in the method it has over the past decade. The questionable and downright over the line portions of it will be stripped out through legislation and the court system, while the vast majority of the bill that is good, sound, and needed law that would never pass currently due to the partisan stigma now attached to it styas on the books. Its ridiculous to suggest our intelligence and survelliance laws should be based off things written in a time where the notion of a PAGER was science fiction, let alone a world where our phones can be as small as a driver's liscense and are so much mroe powerful then what was available then in giant mainframes that its like comparing a Model T to a 2011 Ferrari.
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    Re: Senate moves Patriot Act toward extension

    Sure. You can even do what I'm guessing you're wanting to do, and incorrectly use it to misrepresent my position as somehow incapabatable with the constitution...probably specifically the 2nd amendment...despite the fact that my reasons for the above statement are such that it wouldn't apply in such a situation. But regardless if that's your intent or not, be my guest.

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    Re: Senate moves Patriot Act toward extension

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    Here I thought that the Patriot Act was to be used to catch terrorists™.
    It was pushed as a piece of legislation that would help us better catch terrorists and define them. Which it does do.

    However, it was not to my knowledge stated by its drafters to be something that was singularly and uniquely aimed only at terrorists. The fact it updated decades old intelligence law and amended them is evidence of that, unless by amending them we were at that point saying that we could no longer do survelliance on anything BUT terrorists.

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    Re: Senate moves Patriot Act toward extension

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Unless they get a warrant, the government has absolutely no business placing taps on phone lines, listening in on any American's conversations and or digging in on any American's records.
    I agree completely.

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    Re: Senate moves Patriot Act toward extension

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    Here I thought that the Patriot Act was to be used to catch terrorists™.
    Every stripper carries around a couple of bombs you know?
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