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    Re: Tuscon gunmen Jared Loughner ruled unfit to stand trial

    Quote Originally Posted by PzKfW IVe View Post
    Yes.... because to be held accountable for a crime, regardless of what that crime is, you have to have the capacity to understand that what you did was a crime and that you are on trial for it.
    and this is one of the problems with the system. A person can be guilty and insane. Even the most insane make choices. They just have a different view of the world. They should be held accountable for the crime.
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    Re: Tuscon gunmen Jared Loughner ruled unfit to stand trial

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I remember a visiting law professor argue that executing the really whackos made more sense than say a hit man who is completely rational (killing for money). the latter has talent and can be useful to the government. an insane barking at the moon loon is past be salvaged
    Like I said, I don't disagree.

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    Re: Tuscon gunmen Jared Loughner ruled unfit to stand trial

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    This is the right thing because he is going to be held as long as it takes to get him sane enough to stand trial. …
    But, wait! You would have to be insane to acknowledge that you are ever sane enough to stand trial for your life. Seems like a Catch-22 to me.
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    Re: Tuscon gunmen Jared Loughner ruled unfit to stand trial

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    How is this "unbelievable?" Everyone associated with the case agrees, only the ignorant peanut gallery object. What do they object to? It is not as if he is walking. Justice is only served if the accused understands what he is accused of otherwise its a kangaroo court.

    Focus on issues that matter.

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    Re: Tuscon gunmen Jared Loughner ruled unfit to stand trial

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    But, wait! You would have to be insane to acknowledge that you are ever sane enough to stand trial for your life. Seems like a Catch-22 to me.
    Not really, when court-recognized experts are the one doing the evaluating.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Tuscon gunmen Jared Loughner ruled unfit to stand trial

    This guy really needs about 5 minutes of “come to Jesus” time with someone like me. He would be all about "spirituality" in no time at all.

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    Re: Tuscon gunmen Jared Loughner ruled unfit to stand trial

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    But, wait! You would have to be insane to acknowledge that you are ever sane enough to stand trial for your life. Seems like a Catch-22 to me.
    That's why you don't get to make that consideration yourself. Not to mention, until you're fit to stand trial, you get to be detained indefinitely in conditions that are only marginally better than prison.

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    Re: Tuscon gunmen Jared Loughner ruled unfit to stand trial

    He's going to be imprisoned in a Correctional Medical facility. Every inmate in the penal system knows that you don't ever want to have to go there. It's a house of horrors.
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    Re: Tuscon gunmen Jared Loughner ruled unfit to stand trial

    Wow. What is wrong with you people?

    The guy is psychotic. Do you understand what psychotic means? Please read to the end before you call me an idiot. Thanks.

    Psychotic means that he has no grasp on reality. He may have chosen to shoot Giffords because he believed she had secret CIA assassins planning to kill him. He may honestly believe something like that.

    If you really believed that, if that were undeniably TRUE in your mind, would you not try to do something? You can't call the police - they're in on it. You can't tell your friends - you're surrounded by spies. All you can do is try to take out the controller of the operation. That would be Giffords.

    Persecutory delusions are in common schizophrenia. Sometimes they can be very extreme. And while most schizophrenics are more of a danger to themselves than they are to others, some can become so delusional that they may be violent.

    A person who is psychotic is genuinely not aware that they are psychotic. They often don't even remember anything that happened during the episode. Their brains are literally being eaten by the sheer power of the illness.

    All of these hateful comments leads me to believe none of you really know anything about schizophrenia, or what you're talking about.

    You're upset that since he has been deemed insane, you won't get to see him hang. You're sick.

    I'm not saying he should just be given some anti-psychotics and set loose. He is obviously dangerous while psychotic, and he needs to be very closely monitored and kept out of society.

    It's a shame, because there were indications he was mentally ill long ago. No one did anything about it. The longer you wait to deal with schizophrenia the worse it is - the more of your brain it's destroyed. Your chances of regaining functionality are much lower. Had this been addressed earlier, not only may he not have killed people and wounded Giffords, but he may have been able to live a somewhat normal life.

    We have no idea whether he is a bad person. We have no idea if he's even aware he killed people and wounded Giffords, if he intended to, if he even understands what death is at the moment.

    I'm sorry that ruins your desire to see some bloodshed, literal or metaphorical. Killing sick people who don't understand what they're doing is what we did in the Dark Ages.

    That is an immature, sociopathic way to see reality.
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    Re: Tuscon gunmen Jared Loughner ruled unfit to stand trial

    Most people assume that if someone is deemed unable to stand trial by reason of insanity that they'll be set loose on the world to freely roam and wreak havoc - which is far from reality.

    He'll never be out of sight, out of mind of the justice system and mental health facilities - he will be treated and considered far more strictly than the majority of criminals. . . the only reason why epople don't know about the care and condition of these type of prisoners is that no one gives a **** enough to research and investigate.

    And if he's not actually insane - he will be - a few years locked up and he'll be much worse for the wear.

    I've heard absolute horror stories from such people through caes studies and so on - they'll drive theirselves completely insane during incarceration.
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