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    Re: Democrat scores upset in Medicare-focused House race

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    Perhaps they don't want to see their children suffer in old age. Has empathy ever occured to anyone?
    Then they ought to realize that doing nothing will lead to just that - Medicare going bankrupt and their children suffering as a result. If they don't want their children to suffer in old age, Medicare better be heavily reformed before it's too late.

    Of course, maybe they HAVE realized that. Since if this poll is to be believed, the whole "Seniors hate Ryan's Medicare reform!" thing is nothing but media spin:

    Americans Divided Over Ryan vs. Obama Deficit Plans


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    Re: Democrat scores upset in Medicare-focused House race

    Davis was rejected by both Republicans and Democrats (after flip-flopping between them previously), so he ran as a Tea Party candidate, which is aligned with the right.

    Spurned by 2 parties, Davis aims for 3rd - City & Region - The Buffalo News
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    Re: Democrat scores upset in Medicare-focused House race

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    You don't think paying for it all their lives is a good reason to expect it? How about you buy a hat from me and I just decide not to send it to you?

    We would have the money if the government didn't regard pilfering from the funding a viable way of covering expenses.
    Oh, you don't even get the irony of your comments! This is too rich!

    Okay, years and years ago SS got set up, see, and they started taking from our paychecks to "help us when we need it most". Cause we're all just too ****ing stupid to manage money right. And over the years it became obvious to anyone with half a brain the system wasn't working as intended. I.E. "the government pilfering" BUT HEY, as long as I get my SS check, who cares? Then in the 60's Medicaide/Medicare comes about and it doesn't take long to figure out this is another "Give us your money so we can help you" scam. But who cares right, as long as I "get mine"? who gives a **** how badly it's "pilfered" or underfunded. I just want "mine".


    SS Medicaide and Medicare were nothing more then blatant bribes by politicians promising things they have not, could not and never will be able to deliver on.

    And your POV is that we "have to keep the system going because people paid into it?"

    **** THOSE PEOPLE. They promised themselves MY MONEY.


    Why do people insist on perpetuating this myth that just cause you paid the government means you have the right to keep demanding more even though it's FUBAR?

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    Re: Democrat scores upset in Medicare-focused House race

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    Perhaps they don't want to see their children suffer in old age. Has empathy ever occured to anyone?
    Are you for real? They just wnat their kids money ot keep living how they want. Greedy, selfish bastards the lot of em.
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



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    Re: Democrat scores upset in Medicare-focused House race

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Oh, you don't even get the irony of your comments! This is too rich!

    Okay, years and years ago SS got set up, see, and they started taking from our paychecks to "help us when we need it most". Cause we're all just too ****ing stupid to manage money right. And over the years it became obvious to anyone with half a brain the system wasn't working as intended. I.E. "the government pilfering" BUT HEY, as long as I get my SS check, who cares? Then in the 60's Medicaide/Medicare comes about and it doesn't take long to figure out this is another "Give us your money so we can help you" scam. But who cares right, as long as I "get mine"? who gives a **** how badly it's "pilfered" or underfunded. I just want "mine".


    SS Medicaide and Medicare were nothing more then blatant bribes by politicians promising things they have not, could not and never will be able to deliver on.

    And your POV is that we "have to keep the system going because people paid into it?"

    **** THOSE PEOPLE. They promised themselves MY MONEY.


    Why do people insist on perpetuating this myth that just cause you paid the government means you have the right to keep demanding more even though it's FUBAR?
    Nobody has suggested we increase benefits or that we don't need to do anything with the system. However, if you can't see an option in between privatization and "do nothing," I don't know what to tell you.
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    Re: Democrat scores upset in Medicare-focused House race

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It's Obama that wants to create the death panels. How soon people forget.
    you really need to get out and have your party sell that as their main 2012 message.
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    Re: Democrat scores upset in Medicare-focused House race

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It's called The Independent Payment Advisory Board and they decide who gets to live and who gets to die.

    Welcome to the real world.
    So, show us in the bill where it says the consultation would be with this advisory board instead of your doctor.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Democrat scores upset in Medicare-focused House race

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    They sat around and did nothing while these programs just become more and more unsustainable, and now they demand to get what they were promised in return for their votes.
    Actually what older Americans did was exactly the opposite. They spent most of their live working hard. They entered into a social contract with not only government but the rest of society as well and they honored their end of that contract. They did just what they were suppose to do and upheld their end of the bargain. They did not trade their votes and nobody can prove that they did not matter how many right wingers pontificate about such nonsense.
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    Re: Democrat scores upset in Medicare-focused House race

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    When a government board conducts end of life counciling, I would call that a death panel. What would you call it?

    Considering death is a natural part of life...I'd consider it helping people make informed decisions about when to stop care.

    As it is now, Medicare will pay for any and every life-extending technique that exists, and probably some that don't. What it doesn't pay for is for you to have a conversation with your doctor about how you want to die. That was what the "death panel" provision changed. It simply made this conversation coverable the same as hooking you up to the little machine that goes "beep."

    I thought Conservatives were all about having the freedom to make your own choices, and to be empowered in areas like health care. Not in this case, I guess.

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    Re: Democrat scores upset in Medicare-focused House race

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Considering death is a natural part of life...I'd consider it helping people make informed decisions about when to stop care.

    As it is now, Medicare will pay for any and every life-extending technique that exists, and probably some that don't. What it doesn't pay for is for you to have a conversation with your doctor about how you want to die. That was what the "death panel" provision changed. It simply made this conversation coverable the same as hooking you up to the little machine that goes "beep."

    I thought Conservatives were all about having the freedom to make your own choices, and to be empowered in areas like health care. Not in this case, I guess.
    In this case, a (D) was doing it. President Obama could announce a plan to slash all tax rates, cut all entitlements, remove all handgun bans, repeal the healthcare reform law, and permanently ban all abortions and the GOP would still push every effort to attack him over it. It just doesn't matter what the Democrats do right now, the Republicans are vehemently against it. They aren't interested in governing, they're interested in winning. They aren't interested in even their own supposed ideals.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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