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    Re: Democrat scores upset in Medicare-focused House race

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It's Obama that wants to create the death panels. How soon people forget.
    I wonder why?

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    Re: Democrat scores upset in Medicare-focused House race

    Quote Originally Posted by BWG View Post
    I wonder why?

    PolitiFact's Lie of the Year: 'Death panels'


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    If they weren't in fact, "death panels", why did the Dems remove that section from the bill?

    End of life counciling from a government agency sounds alot like a death panel, to me.

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    Re: Democrat scores upset in Medicare-focused House race

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It's Obama that wants to create the death panels. How soon people forget.
    Yet another complete and total lie repeated often by Fox pundits and related folk. This one is so absurd that to believe it requires a willingness to be ignorant in order to support some imaginary notion that Obama is secretly Hitler, so I will just tell you to Google it. Because me attempting to tell you that your delusion is wrong is probably futile.

    EDIT: It does? How so? Seriously, this is an insane notion.
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    Re: Democrat scores upset in Medicare-focused House race

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    Yet another complete and total lie repeated often by Fox pundits and related folk. This one is so absurd that to believe it requires a willingness to be ignorant in order to support some imaginary notion that Obama is secretly Hitler, so I will just tell you to Google it. Because me attempting to tell you that your delusion is wrong is probably futile.

    EDIT: It does? How so? Seriously, this is an insane notion.
    Why were the death panels removed from the bill?

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    Re: Democrat scores upset in Medicare-focused House race

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Why were the death panels removed from the bill?
    For the same reason a lot of probably good parts of the bill were removed. Pushing the bill forward become impossible with it included due to the Republican lie machine. And getting something done was just more important than keeping the provision.

    Although let me note for clarity, it never included anything vaguely related to "death panels" in the first place. My post above is related to the actual provision, not the lie version of it.
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    Re: Democrat scores upset in Medicare-focused House race

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Why were the death panels removed from the bill?
    Because people like you believed it was a death panel. You believed it because it was repeated over and over and over again despite being proven to be false. Hell, it wasn't even something that would be done "by a government agency" like you described in this thread, but you still believe that to be true. It was a conversation between you and your doctor, the same way people already do it. The only change is that the bill would have allowed medicare to foot the bill for that consultation with your doctor. If you chose to get it. It wasn't even mandatory.
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    Re: Democrat scores upset in Medicare-focused House race

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    If they weren't in fact, "death panels", why did the Dems remove that section from the bill?

    End of life counciling from a government agency sounds alot like a death panel, to me.
    Yeah, and death tax sounds like it applies to everybody, estate tax sounds like something only rich people play.

    Just the conservative "persuasion" machinery doing its job!

    A lie by any other name will still get your mouth washed out with soap.

    Until you get out of college, then lying to America becomes a lucrative career!
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    Re: Democrat scores upset in Medicare-focused House race

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Because people like you believed it was a death panel. You believed it because it was repeated over and over and over again despite being proven to be false. Hell, it wasn't even something that would be done "by a government agency" like you described in this thread, but you still believe that to be true. It was a conversation between you and your doctor, the same way people already do it. The only change is that the bill would have allowed medicare to foot the bill for that consultation with your doctor. If you chose to get it. It wasn't even mandatory.
    When a government board conducts end of life counciling, I would call that a death panel. What would you call it?

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    Re: Democrat scores upset in Medicare-focused House race

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Yeah, and death tax sounds like it applies to everybody, estate tax sounds like something only rich people play.

    Just the conservative "persuasion" machinery doing its job!

    A lie by any other name will still get your mouth washed out with soap.

    Until you get out of college, then lying to America becomes a lucrative career!
    How am I lieing?

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    Re: Democrat scores upset in Medicare-focused House race

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    When a government board conducts end of life counciling, I would call that a death panel. What would you call it?
    Well, that isn't what the bill was creating, so who cares?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    How am I lieing?
    Your description of reality is inaccurate. I think you're misinformed and stubborn rather than a liar, personally. The consultation would have been done by your doctor, not a government board, and it would have been optional just like it is now.
    Last edited by Deuce; 05-25-11 at 01:24 PM.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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