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    'Genderless' Child Ignites Firestorm in Canada

    This is just plain sick, and disturbing. These people must trying to get attention while claiming their not. I can think of no logical explaination, for this.

    I have to wonder if there may some long term damage to the child that might come from this.

    By the way, it looks like a little boy to me.

    'Genderless' Child Ignites Firestorm in Canada - FoxNews.com
    A Toronto couple raising their 4-month-old without identifying the child as a boy or a girl have created a media firestorm in Canada, where some have likened the scenario to a "bizarre lab experiment" that seeks to undo thousands of years of social evolution.

    Kathy Witterick, 38, and David Stocker, 39, are raising their third child, Storm, to be free of societal norms regarding gender. Is Storm male or female? The parents won't say, so no one knows except Storm's older brothers, Jazz and Kio, as well as a close family friend and two midwives who helped deliver the baby, according to the Toronto Star.

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    Re: 'Genderless' Child Ignites Firestorm in Canada

    Seems kinda stupid, but I don't really see the harm in it.
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    Re: 'Genderless' Child Ignites Firestorm in Canada

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    This is just plain sick, and disturbing. These people must trying to get attention while claiming their not. I can think of no logical explaination, for this.

    I have to wonder if there may some long term damage to the child that might come from this.

    By the way, it looks like a little boy to me.
    Why is this sick, exactly?
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: 'Genderless' Child Ignites Firestorm in Canada

    Shouldn't they have the freedom to raise their child as they wish? Or should the government tell them what to do?

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    Re: 'Genderless' Child Ignites Firestorm in Canada

    It's a fruitless attempt. Studies have shown that parents inherently speak to their infants in different ways due to perception of their gender. They are socializing a gender into that child whether they are aware of it or not.

    I do find it strange that Councilman is so furious. Parents have a right to raise their children as they see fit. They don't tell you not to indoctrinate your children into your religious beliefs and to not socialize them in accordance to how you perceive the male or female gender should behave, so I don't what grounds you have to tell them how to raise their child.

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    Re: 'Genderless' Child Ignites Firestorm in Canada

    Why does this matter?

    Gender expression happens regardless of social training, and doesn't always agree with social training. This is shown clearly by transgender individuals. But if you want to disregard that, it's shown even more clearly by intersexed children who are assigned a gender at birth, and this gender frequently turns out to be incorrect.

    What they are basically doing is allowing their child to develop its natural degree of gender identity by trying not to impose it on them from birth. The likelihood of them having a gender identity opposite of their sex is just as low as it would be for someone who had their gender identity imposed at birth. They simply have greater freedom to choose their degree of expression.

    I think it's great. *shrug*

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    Re: 'Genderless' Child Ignites Firestorm in Canada

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Why is this sick, exactly?
    This is easy. The potential for psychological damage is too great to risk this nonsense on a child.

    If it's a boy and is treated like a girl of vise versa, or if they are dressed like David Bowie there is a risk of a gender identity crisis.

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    Re: 'Genderless' Child Ignites Firestorm in Canada

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    This is easy. The potential for psychological damage is too great to risk this nonsense on a child.
    Wow, you are suddenly a qualified psychologist? Where did you get your degree?

    If it's a boy and is treated like a girl of vise versa, or if they are dressed like David Bowie there is a risk of a gender identity crisis.
    And your evidence to support any of this is what?

    Another silly social conservative making completely unsubstantiated assumptions and trying to pass them off as fact.
    Last edited by CriticalThought; 05-24-11 at 11:30 PM.

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    Re: 'Genderless' Child Ignites Firestorm in Canada

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    This is easy. The potential for psychological damage is too great to risk this nonsense on a child.

    If it's a boy and is treated like a girl of vise versa, or if they are dressed like David Bowie there is a risk of a gender identity crisis.
    Uh, proof please?

    All the evidence I know of says you're wrong. Androgynous parents and upbringing actually encourages success and self-esteem.
    http://gozips.uakron.edu/~susan8/parinf.htm

    (Please note the difference in categorization between undiffrentiated children and androgynous children.)
    The Social Adjustment and Aggression Status of Children Based on Gender Roles

    Gender and the way it's expressed is mostly a social construct. Back in FDR's childhood days, boys wore dresses for the first 5 or 6 years of their lives. It was more convenient for the parents. Children were completely androgynous until grade school.

    People do have a concept of male or female as applies to them, but the specific societal manifestations of that are constructed. People who are raised with strict gender rolls tend to have limited achievement, more depression, and less confidence. Left to develop naturally, men and women still express gender differently (assuming they conform to their sex, which not everyone does), but the scale isn't as extreme as it is in our culture.

    Forcibly telling a child what they should look and act like is not much different from forcibly telling them what they will be when they grow up. It's extremely oppressive.

    Children don't go crazy if they don't have limiting, authoritarian gender rolls. They're fine. They're better adjusted, in fact.
    Last edited by SmokeAndMirrors; 05-24-11 at 11:48 PM.

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    Re: 'Genderless' Child Ignites Firestorm in Canada

    Perhaps the OP doesn't realize that a media "firestorm" in Canada means that 5 people read the story, cause I ain't heard a damn thing about it

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