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    Re: 'Genderless' Child Ignites Firestorm in Canada

    Quote Originally Posted by Dix View Post
    But they're not raising Storm gender-neutral. They're raising Storm genderless.

    Clinton Anderson, director of the American Psychological Association's Lesbian, Gay and Bisexual Concerns Office, told FoxNews.com that while the organization supports gender nondiscrimination, there is no research available regarding potential harms or benefits to raising a so-called genderless child.
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    What is the difference between tenderness and gender-neutral, Dix?

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    Re: 'Genderless' Child Ignites Firestorm in Canada

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Of course, most everyone will not perfectly fit in an aggregate measurement.

    The point is that you would likely highlight enough points to where a person, not knowing your gender, could identify it based on your behavior.
    What my point is, that gender identity is in the mind, and while there are certain activities that would point to one gender identity or another, how one identifies themselves, is the most important.
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    Re: 'Genderless' Child Ignites Firestorm in Canada

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    What is the difference between tenderness and gender-neutral, Dix?
    I've never hear the term "tenderness" with regards to gender issues. What does it mean?
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    Re: 'Genderless' Child Ignites Firestorm in Canada

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    It's not that I'm uncomfortable with saying "it", it just seems strange that these parents would prefer "it" over he/she. Apparently objectification is not something they're concerned about their child internalizing.
    I do not like the term "IT" either. Reminds me of the book a Child Called It and we all know the horror that was

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    Re: 'Genderless' Child Ignites Firestorm in Canada

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    What is the difference between tenderness and gender-neutral, Dix?
    No one is even allowed to know the sex of this baby vs. buying gender neutral toys, clothes etc. for your little BOY or GIRL.

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    Re: 'Genderless' Child Ignites Firestorm in Canada

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    The point is though, that they would have to be neither supportive nor, not supportive because it could be perceived by the child as support for a specific gender role.

    That's why this entire experiment is asinine.
    Oh, I agree, all parents should let their kid identify themselves, and be supportive of who they want to be, and this "experiment" seems pointless.
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    Re: 'Genderless' Child Ignites Firestorm in Canada

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    What my point is, that gender identity is in the mind, and while there are certain activities that would point to one gender identity or another, how one identifies themselves, is the most important.
    That's perfectly fine with me.

    I just don't think this genderless baby experiment will yield anything.
    Most boys act like boys because they are boys, most girls act like girls because they are girls.

    Sometimes, some people don't and that's fine but I don't think we should change minor social norms in language because of it.
    There are languages that use less gender references than ours and there are some that use more, yet there is no big difference in gender practices around the world.
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    Re: 'Genderless' Child Ignites Firestorm in Canada

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    I do not like the term "IT" either. Reminds me of the book a Child Called It and we all know the horror that was

    Call the child a child or by their name. Not IT.
    It's the parents, though, who have consigned this child to referred to at "it".
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    Re: 'Genderless' Child Ignites Firestorm in Canada

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    It's the parents, though, who have consigned this child to referred to at "it".
    Funny, I thought the baby's name was "Storm".

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    Re: 'Genderless' Child Ignites Firestorm in Canada

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    If it were a social construct, the environment that the child was originally raised in is what they would identify their gender as.

    It's all chemistry in the brain, both during and after birth.
    I'm not saying transgender is wrong.

    I'm saying these people are moronic to do, what they're doing.
    It serves no purpose.
    It depends on where they end it. They could succeed in ensuring that if their child might suffer from GID, that the child would more easily accept that they can choose to live the role of the the gender that is not the same as the sex they were born as.

    Many transgendered people suffer from GID because they don't understand why they want to dress in the clothes of the opposite sex or act like a person of the opposite sex, especially men. Many men hide the fact that they would rather be like women. Some women might too, but, as was earlier pointed out, it is much easier for a woman to be socially accepted for living a man's life than it is for a man to be socially accepted for living a woman's life, even to the point where most people just assume that any crossdressing man must be a submissive homosexual (eventhough this is not true, especially since a good percentage of male crossdressers and transgenders are attracted to women). Most people are raised in a manner that set up expectations for how they were supposed to dress and act, and even for what they were supposed to like, because of the sex they were born as.

    For example, I never liked Barbies. My Barbie dolls always became conscripted soldiers in the wars that my brother and I would play in. I begged my parents for GI Joes growing up, but they always went to my brothers because even my parents would tend to forget that I had asked for some when they bought them for my brothers for Christmas. It probably wasn't even a conscious choice to not give me any of the GI Joes, but rather something that stemmed from it being more normal for boys to ask for Joes than girls. By the time I was 9, I was only asking my parents for books and clothes, but no toys because I knew that I wouldn't get what I wanted anyway, which was boys' toys.

    And I know that my father is embarrassed that he likes to wear women's night gowns. I'm pretty sure that my father has no desire to actually be a woman, but he does like to wear some women's clothes and he is ashamed of this because of the way that he feels that some people would judge him for wearing them.

    That is where much of GID comes from, especially for those who do not feel a need to actually change their physical sex. There disorder stems from them not being able to figure out why they want to look like or act like the opposite sex that they were born as, adopt those characteristics that society reserves for the opposite gender.

    Someone who is raised without feeling that it is necessary to like pink or wear suits or dresses, but not the other, is less likely to have such feelings of dismay if they decide that they would prefer to wear dresses over suits or only wear pink or they would rather be involved with aggressive sports than do dance or theater than someone who was raised in a specific gender role.
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