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    Re: 'Genderless' Child Ignites Firestorm in Canada

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Female gender is the aggregate of what females do.
    Male gender is the aggregate of what males do.

    Transgender people typically act in common practice with the gender they identify with.
    Leads me to believe that gender is biological.
    I would disagree, some of what I do doesn't fit with the aggregate of what females do, some does. Does that make me any less female? I am biologically a female, my gender identity is female, but do some of the activities I engage in make me any less female, even if I feel female 100% of the time?
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    Re: 'Genderless' Child Ignites Firestorm in Canada

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Female gender is the aggregate of what females do.
    Male gender is the aggregate of what males do.

    Transgender people typically act in common practice with the gender they identify with.
    Leads me to believe that gender is biological.
    This is a really excellent point. Transgendered people act in a way commonly expected of the opposite sex, they don't challenge gender roles, they a actually conform to them. Bravo. I've learned something.
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    Re: 'Genderless' Child Ignites Firestorm in Canada

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Because society establishes that someone born in a certain sex, i.e. man/penis/XY chromosome, woman/vagina/XX chromosome, should dress a certain way, talk a certain way, walk a certain way, like certain things, shave certain areas, not shave certain areas, etc. Biology doesn't establish what clothes a person should wear, society does. Biology doesn't really establish how sensitive a person should be, society does. Biology puts in place how certain clothes look on certain people and how sensitive certain people are, but there is nothing in nature that says that every person of a certain sex should wear only certain clothes or that every person of a certain sex should be at this X amount of sensitivity. Society sets those limits.

    Transgendered people feel that they fit better in the gender role that society has said does not fit with their physical sex. It isn't that hard to figure out. That is why most professionals who talk about sex and gender do not use them interchangebly, from what I have observed. Sex is used to describe a person's physical features that make them a man or woman, while gender is generally used to describe the person in relation to whether they fit into society's description of how a man or a woman should act, dress, feel, think, etc.
    If it were a social construct, the environment that the child was originally raised in is what they would identify their gender as.

    It's all chemistry in the brain, both during and after birth.
    I'm not saying transgender is wrong.

    I'm saying these people are moronic to do, what they're doing.
    It serves no purpose.
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    Re: 'Genderless' Child Ignites Firestorm in Canada

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    They shouldn't be supportive, they should be completely neutral then.
    Any support could be falsely identified as support for a gender role.
    The gender role the child wants to live in, I think the parents should be supportive of that.
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    Re: 'Genderless' Child Ignites Firestorm in Canada

    I actually learned a bit about this in Psych 101. The extremes of the gender roles tend to be less extreme in children raised gender-neutral. This doesn't seem to impair their functioning or mental state, nor does it seem to encourage transgenderism. It just moves men and women a little closer together. I don't see anything wrong with that.

    But they're not raising Storm gender-neutral. They're raising Storm genderless.

    Clinton Anderson, director of the American Psychological Association's Lesbian, Gay and Bisexual Concerns Office, told FoxNews.com that while the organization supports gender nondiscrimination, there is no research available regarding potential harms or benefits to raising a so-called genderless child.
    Read more: 'Genderless' Child Ignites Firestorm in Canada - FoxNews.com
    Last edited by Dix; 05-25-11 at 01:54 AM. Reason: Oops, this was in reply to MistressNomad's post

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    Re: 'Genderless' Child Ignites Firestorm in Canada

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    The gender role the child wants to live in, I think the parents should be supportive of that.
    What would the child think its parents want, Your Star? Are not children apt to do as it is influenced?

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    Re: 'Genderless' Child Ignites Firestorm in Canada

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    I would disagree, some of what I do doesn't fit with the aggregate of what females do, some does. Does that make me any less female? I am biologically a female, my gender identity is female, but do some of the activities I engage in make me any less female, even if I feel female 100% of the time?
    Of course, most everyone will not perfectly fit in an aggregate measurement.

    The point is that you would likely highlight enough points to where a person, not knowing your gender, could identify it based on your behavior.
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    Re: 'Genderless' Child Ignites Firestorm in Canada

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    You're right. I simply presented it as an option for someone who said they were uncomfortable saying "it," since they don't know the sex or gender of the child. Its purpose is for the sake of conversation.
    It's not that I'm uncomfortable with saying "it", it just seems strange that these parents would prefer "it" over he/she. Apparently objectification is not something they're concerned about their child internalizing.
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    Re: 'Genderless' Child Ignites Firestorm in Canada

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    The gender role the child wants to live in, I think the parents should be supportive of that.
    The point is though, that they would have to be neither supportive nor, not supportive because it could be perceived by the child as support for a specific gender role.

    That's why this entire experiment is asinine.
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    Re: 'Genderless' Child Ignites Firestorm in Canada

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post
    They may fail, but I do not think that is because there is any biological basis for it since I have seen no evidence to suggest there is such a basis.
    GID.info | Gender Identity Disorder Information

    Transsexual differences caught on brain scan - life - 26 January 2011 - New Scientist

    The second link in particular talks about brain differences in men and women, and how these difference coincides with the desired gender of a transsexual.
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