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    Re: 'Genderless' Child Ignites Firestorm in Canada

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    They are stupid and will likely fail.
    I'm pretty well convinced that gender is biological.
    You're right. But not enforcing what that gender should be doesn't harm the child. It just frees them from expectation of exactly what kind, and how much, gender expression they have.

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    Re: 'Genderless' Child Ignites Firestorm in Canada

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Shouldn't they have the freedom to raise their child as they wish? Or should the government tell them what to do?
    I believe that this is the point. However, at what point does raising a child as one wishes conflict with the rights that the child has under the Constitution? I believe that the discussion should be centered around this point. Where is the line to be drawn? I would say that, as long as the child is not deprived of his / her inherent Constitutional rights, then the parents are not breaking any laws.
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    Re: 'Genderless' Child Ignites Firestorm in Canada

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    They are stupid and will likely fail.
    I'm pretty well convinced that gender is biological.
    So, you're suggesting boys and girls are actually different, biologically and otherwise? That's crazy talk.
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    Re: 'Genderless' Child Ignites Firestorm in Canada

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    I am a little surprised more people are are not concerned about the possible out come later for this child. I really didn't expect the responses.

    If you Google: "effects of raising a child gender neutral" you will find this is not the first time this has come up.

    I also want to point out that all I did was give my opinion I never said anything should be done about it. I was voicing my personal concern.
    All of the reliable studies I've seen say that raising a child gender-neutral either has no effect, or a positive effect, on their outcome. Thus, I'm pretty ok with it.

    I actually learned a bit about this in Psych 101. The extremes of the gender roles tend to be less extreme in children raised gender-neutral. This doesn't seem to impair their functioning or mental state, nor does it seem to encourage transgenderism. It just moves men and women a little closer together. I don't see anything wrong with that.

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    Re: 'Genderless' Child Ignites Firestorm in Canada

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    You're right. But not enforcing what that gender should be doesn't harm the child. It just frees them from expectation of exactly what kind, and how much, gender expression they have.
    I just find it utterly absurd.

    They have to go out of their way to do something that will likely, not succeed.
    They are free to do so, but I wish people would spend more time thinking of these things before pursuing them.
    It makes them look like idiots.
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    Re: 'Genderless' Child Ignites Firestorm in Canada

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    So, you're suggesting boys and girls are actually different, biologically and otherwise? That's crazy talk.
    Yes they are different, I don't think no one is suggesting otherwise, but societal gender norms, are just that, derived from society, and not biology.
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    Re: 'Genderless' Child Ignites Firestorm in Canada

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    So, you're suggesting boys and girls are actually different, biologically and otherwise? That's crazy talk.
    Try this one out.

    If gender were a social construct, then why do transgender people exist?

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    Re: 'Genderless' Child Ignites Firestorm in Canada

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I just find it utterly absurd.

    They have to go out of their way to do something that will likely, not succeed.
    They are free to do so, but I wish people would spend more time thinking of these things before pursuing them.
    It makes them look like idiots.
    They aren't trying to "succeed" in anything. They're just trying to allow their child their natural degree of expression, rather than forcing a hyper-stereotypical gender role on them.

    Like I said, if the child gets older and has a particular expression and the parents try to force androgyny on them, then that is wrong. But we haven't seen that to be the case yet. The child is still a baby.

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    Re: 'Genderless' Child Ignites Firestorm in Canada

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Try this one out.

    If gender were a social construct, then why do transgender people exist?

    ...everyone is now blown away.
    I do think gender is innate, but the way one expresses their gender is up to them, what defines being female gendered? What defines being male gendered?
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    Re: 'Genderless' Child Ignites Firestorm in Canada

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    They aren't trying to "succeed" in anything. They're just trying to allow their child their natural degree of expression, rather than forcing a hyper-stereotypical gender role on them.

    Like I said, if the child gets older and has a particular expression and the parents try to force androgyny on them, then that is wrong. But we haven't seen that to be the case yet. The child is still a baby.
    Adding "ze" or whatever has practically 0 effect on the development of the kid.
    Similarly to saying She/he.

    It serves no purpose.
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