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    Re: 'Genderless' Child Ignites Firestorm in Canada

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Internal gender identity is a popular myth, MistressNomad. It is a belief. It cannot be scientifically proven. Belief is the death of intelligence. I may wish myself Japanese, but it is not so. I may wish I had no gender but it is not so. I may wish myself an animal, but it is not so. A dog may wish itself a cat, but it is not so. It is internal confusion that locks both religion, and science.

    The child should also not be told what its gender isn't. If the child is a female, do not lie to it by telling her she is a boy or tenderness. Who are you to say that? What do you know?

    Some off the other posts, to me, seem merely annoying. I will not bother putting them through their paces.
    But the things that we associate with being for a specific gender are usually things that can easily be changed, such as wearing certain kinds of clothing, growing hair out in certain places and shaving hair from other places, walking a certain way, talking a certain way, liking certain movies, colors, or activities. All of these are things that, although in some ways may be associated with only one gender, can be taken on by a member of the other gender without any actual physical alterations required. In fact, even adding fake breast doesn't require permanent physical alterations.

    Even if they want the physical alterations, how is it any different than someone without a gender identity disorder who wants to enhance their apperance through surgery? Are they hurting you in any way by wanting to live as the opposite gender? Are they hurting someone else? If they are happy with their decision, let it be their decision.

    I have learned a lot over the last 8 years since my brother told us that he wanted to be a woman (not nearly enough, in my own opinion, but more than many people, especially those who don't personally know anyone who suffers from GID or is transgendered). My brother is happy dressing in women's clothing and walking around as a woman. He is more secure in himself as a woman.
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    Re: 'Genderless' Child Ignites Firestorm in Canada

    Seems a little sad, though, to have to refer to a child as "it".
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    Re: 'Genderless' Child Ignites Firestorm in Canada

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Seems a little sad, though, to have to refer to a child as "it".
    How about just referring to the child as "child" or by his/her name, Storm? So they limited how other people and they can refer to their child, big deal. As long as however people refer to the child, it isn't degrading, then there should be no harm.
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    Re: 'Genderless' Child Ignites Firestorm in Canada

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Seems a little sad, though, to have to refer to a child as "it".
    There are gender-neutral pronouns in limited use. Ze/zir is one of the more common ones.

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    Re: 'Genderless' Child Ignites Firestorm in Canada

    As long as they are not lying to the child or encouraging the child to identify as having a gender other than the one with which he or she was born I see no issue with this. In fact, I applaud the idea of raising a child without placing them into the some traditional gender role that only serves as a form of social oppression. People should not be slaves to the concept of gender in any way.

    When I have children I fully intend to raise them without imposing some archaic concept of what boys and girls should be like. Instead I would encourage them to be uniquely them and not just assume they have to be a certain way because society tells them there is something wrong with them behaving one way while having x sexual organ.
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    Re: 'Genderless' Child Ignites Firestorm in Canada

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    How about just referring to the child as "child" or by his/her name, Storm? So they limited how other people and they can refer to their child, big deal. As long as however people refer to the child, it isn't degrading, then there should be no harm.
    He/she are appropriate terms but, as the parents do not want "it" referred to by those terms, "it" is the appropriate alternative. You want to be different and make the news, that's fine but having their child referred to as "it" is just going to have to be one of the consequences.
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    Re: 'Genderless' Child Ignites Firestorm in Canada

    I am a little surprised more people are are not concerned about the possible out come later for this child. I really didn't expect the responses.

    If you Google: "effects of raising a child gender neutral" you will find this is not the first time this has come up.

    I also want to point out that all I did was give my opinion I never said anything should be done about it. I was voicing my personal concern.

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    Re: 'Genderless' Child Ignites Firestorm in Canada

    They are stupid and will likely fail.
    I'm pretty well convinced that gender is biological.
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    Re: 'Genderless' Child Ignites Firestorm in Canada

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    There are gender-neutral pronouns in limited use. Ze/zir is one of the more common ones.
    People are just going to know those? I've never heard of them.
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    Re: 'Genderless' Child Ignites Firestorm in Canada

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    People are just going to know those? I've never heard of them.
    Nope, which is why I mentioned them. Like I said, they are in limited use. An agreed-upon gender-neutral pronoun has not yet been established. So, if you don't want to use "it," you can use one of those.

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