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    Re: 'Genderless' Child Ignites Firestorm in Canada

    It doesn't bother me at all. I can't think of how this could be an issue unless the child is getting confused. Children generally know that there is a difference between girls and boys. I doubt that the child cares whether he/she is a girl or boy at this age. And it is possible that the child knows anyway. My kid can usually tell me if a person in a picture is a girl or boy by just looking at them. No nakedness needed. And he is only 3.

    Also, this reminds me a little bit of that episode of Star Trek: TNG, where the whole planet was genderless but some of them wanted to actually identify as a specific gender. A lot of debates about gender identity and especially those stupid conversion therapies remind me of that episode. It was a great episode.
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    Re: 'Genderless' Child Ignites Firestorm in Canada

    Well, at they're not doing anything really crazy, like having him (if it's a "him") circumcised.

    Seriously, who cares?
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    Re: 'Genderless' Child Ignites Firestorm in Canada

    "To be free of societal norms". That is their motive. Every action has a reason.

    What else can be free of societal norms? Naked resorts, man babies, people who permanently ink every inch of their bodies including whites and iris of the eye..

    It appears to be a desire for attention.

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    Re: 'Genderless' Child Ignites Firestorm in Canada

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    "To be free of societal norms". That is their motive. Every action has a reason.

    What else can be free of societal norms? Naked resorts, man babies, people who permanently ink every inch of their bodies including whites and iris of the eye..

    It appears to be a desire for attention.
    It definitely doesn't sound like they are looking for attention. They did an interview with a newspaper (doesn't say if they initiated interview or if someone else pointed the reporter in their direction) but they turned down further interviews specificially saying that they didn't want the attention. We'll see if they do more interviews in the future, but it is too earlier to claim that they are looking for attention without knowing why they did the first interview.
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    Re: 'Genderless' Child Ignites Firestorm in Canada

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    "To be free of societal norms". That is their motive. Every action has a reason.

    What else can be free of societal norms? Naked resorts, man babies, people who permanently ink every inch of their bodies including whites and iris of the eye..

    It appears to be a desire for attention.
    Sure. Why do you care?

    They desire attention by simply having a child without forcing a gender on it? They turned down any further contact or interviews, siting they didn't desire to turn this into a media circus. Oh yeah, they are soooooo looking for attention.

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    Re: 'Genderless' Child Ignites Firestorm in Canada

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    Well, a 4-month-old baby isn't being told much of anything.

    Gender and sex are different. Sex is the physical presentation of a person. Gender is their internal identity.

    The child shouldn't be told what their gender is. Most people have a gender that is consistent with their sex. Some don't. Either way is fine.
    Internal gender identity is a popular myth, MistressNomad. It is a belief. It cannot be scientifically proven. Belief is the death of intelligence. I may wish myself Japanese, but it is not so. I may wish I had no gender but it is not so. I may wish myself an animal, but it is not so. A dog may wish itself a cat, but it is not so. It is internal confusion that locks both religion, and science.

    The child should also not be told what its gender isn't. If the child is a female, do not lie to it by telling her she is a boy or tenderness. Who are you to say that? What do you know?

    Some of the other posts, to me, seem merely annoying. I will not bother putting them through their paces.
    Last edited by Wake; 05-25-11 at 12:59 AM.

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    Re: 'Genderless' Child Ignites Firestorm in Canada

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    "To be free of societal norms". That is their motive. Every action has a reason.

    What else can be free of societal norms? Naked resorts, man babies, people who permanently ink every inch of their bodies including whites and iris of the eye..

    It appears to be a desire for attention.
    Wow... somebody is living in 1523.
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    Re: 'Genderless' Child Ignites Firestorm in Canada

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    It definitely doesn't sound like they are looking for attention. They did an interview with a newspaper (doesn't say if they initiated interview or if someone else pointed the reporter in their direction) but they turned down further interviews specificially saying that they didn't want the attention. We'll see if they do more interviews in the future, but it is too earlier to claim that they are looking for attention without knowing why they did the first interview.
    I deem that a fair response.

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    Re: 'Genderless' Child Ignites Firestorm in Canada

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Wow... somebody is living in 1523.
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    Re: 'Genderless' Child Ignites Firestorm in Canada

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Internal gender identity is a popular myth, MistressNomad. It is a belief. It cannot be scientifically proven. Belief is the death of intelligence. I may wish myself Japanese, but it is not so. I may wish I had no gender but it is not so. I may wish myself an animal, but it is not so. A dog may wish itself a cat, but it is not so. It is internal confusion that locks both religion, and science.

    The child should also not be told what its gender isn't. If the child is a female, do not lie to it by telling her she is a boy or tenderness. Who are you to say that? What do you know?

    Some off the other posts, to me, seem merely annoying. I will not bother putting them through their paces.
    Actually it kinda can. Whether or not an intersexed child assigned a gender at birth will grow up to agree with that gender can be predicted by its hormonal levels.

    But even if it were a myth, who cares? Who cares if someone wants to be the opposite gender as their sex, or no gender at all? Seriously, what difference does it make? Confusion and shame within transexuals and androgyns is brought on by societal targetting. In societies that don't think it's a big deal, this confusion and shame dissapates.

    The child isn't being told anything. That's the point. Whether the parents will resist its gender expression when it gets older remains to be seen. And if that were the case, I agree that would be wrong. If the child is female sexed, and grows up wanting to be a girlie girl, whatever. If the child is male sexed, and grows up wanting to be a girlie girl, whatever. If the child grows up to want to be a girlie girl and the parents insist that it remain genderless, that is wrong.

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