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    Re: 'Genderless' Child Ignites Firestorm in Canada

    Why are they so concerned a child genitilia? We have a name for that I think.

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    Re: 'Genderless' Child Ignites Firestorm in Canada

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    I don't see how that's bad at all. There's a lot of senseless, shaming baggage that goes along with believing whatever a society tells you to. It's also a poor recipe for intellectual growth.

    May not be popular, but that doesn't make it wrong.
    It's the notion that they are judging the rest of us (who may disagree with them, but think the whole controversy is overrated) and cry foul when people judge them.
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    Re: 'Genderless' Child Ignites Firestorm in Canada

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    This is just plain sick, and disturbing. These people must trying to get attention while claiming their not. I can think of no logical explaination, for this.

    I have to wonder if there may some long term damage to the child that might come from this.

    By the way, it looks like a little boy to me.
    Only American right wingers would find such a thing horrible.... so much for allowing people to live their lives eh... big government meddling in business conservative style!

    Funny how there is no outcry from the same people over the paedophile Christian cults in the US... hypocrites.
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    Re: 'Genderless' Child Ignites Firestorm in Canada

    It'll only last until the kid starts interacting with other kids, unless they isolate the kid, then it'll last until puberty.
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    That's it! I'm calling for a world-wide ban on yellow clothing for infants.
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    Re: 'Genderless' Child Ignites Firestorm in Canada

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    It'll only last until the kid starts interacting with other kids, unless they isolate the kid, then it'll last until puberty.
    They have already had to isolate their oldest son. He was supposed to go to school this year, but parents are keeping him out to provide "unschooling". I've changed my mind on this, these parents are whack jobs. The mom (wonder why she doesn't object to being referred to in such a gender specific way) especially looks unhinged.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    It's the notion that they are judging the rest of us (who may disagree with them, but think the whole controversy is overrated) and cry foul when people judge them.
    Look at what some people here think of her. Or the people writing the Fox article think of her.

    We're constantly judging others. And "obnoxious" is a pretty gentle judgement, compared to some that's being thrown her way right now.

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    Re: 'Genderless' Child Ignites Firestorm in Canada

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    Demon of Light,

    You don't think it's interesting that transsexuals specifically have opposite-sex brain markers? It isn't really claiming to know the cause - just that we see this in transsexual people.
    I think it is interesting, but I do not think it indicates a biological cause. Unfortunately, a lot of lay people do not seem to be sufficiently knowledgeable to understand that brain development occurs well after birth and as such a person who thinks of his or herself as a different gender would likely develop a similar brain structure.

    Like I said it amounts to a correlation equals causation argument. That pretty much sums up the entire field of sociobiology and its predecessor, eugenics.

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    Actually, primates exhibit gender roles similar to those of humans. Studies have been conducted where gender specific toys (toys with wheels, dolls, etc.) have been given to young chimps. The females tended to play with all the toys but the males exhibited greater interest in the wheeled toys.

    Nothing these people have done or said would contradict the notion that gender is both biologically influenced and socially influenced. They have simply chosen not to let society influence the child and to let biology run its course. You are making groundless assumptions.
    This is why people should stop using the term "in nature" because then you have arguments like this that act like all animals that are not human do not have social constructs of their own.
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    Re: 'Genderless' Child Ignites Firestorm in Canada

    That still doesn't explain the second example I gave of androgen insensitive chromosomal males. Regardless of whether they are assigned male or female or not assigned at all, they almost always identify female.

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    Re: 'Genderless' Child Ignites Firestorm in Canada

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I understand what you are saying. I don't agree though, since gender roles tend to be more fluid and changable these days. Some, I believe are biological. Some, I believe are purely societal. And some of these societal roles are not biologically driven, but more operative... or if they are innate, they have nothing to do with gender.
    I wasn't making myself clear on what I meant.

    For example.
    A male child that has the mental gender of male, will instinctively look towards the behavior of other males, to learn how to practice his gender.
    The practices of those males can be societal and are somewhat fluid based on the adult but the child looking to those males is entirely biologically driven.
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