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Power outage: Libya war shows limits of War Powers Act

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Under the War Powers Act, President Barack Obama had until Friday to get congressional authorization to continue U.S. military operations in Libya. But the day passed without his even asking for it, which means he has to disengage within 30 days. Obama may not heed that requirement either.
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Limits of War Powers Act? WTF?!?! The War Powers Act happens to be the law. What seems to have limits here is Obama's willingness to obey the law. And, according to the law, Obama is committing a criminal act.

I was all over Bush for going into Iraq. Yes, I know, I know, he gave Congress misleading information, but even Bush obeyed the law by seeking congressional approval. And, while Obama was a candidate, he made the following statement:

......the president does not have the power to go to war on his own except in cases of actual or likely attack
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Where the hell is all this hope and change Obama supporters are talking about? Looks like it is all down the toilet, along with Obama's integrity.

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Obama has shown that he has little regard for the Constitution, the Laws or his Oath of office.


He is acting more and more like he's a Dictator and is challenging Congress to do something about it.

He knows that even if he is impeached, the Senate will being controlled by Reid and Liberals will never vote to remove him from office.

If that happens we will have even more trouble.
 
danarhea said:
Limits of War Powers Act? WTF?!?! The War Powers Act happens to be the law. What seems to have limits here is Obama's willingness to obey the law. And, according to the law, Obama is committing a criminal act.

I was all over Bush for going into Iraq. Yes, I know, I know, he gave Congress misleading information, but even Bush obeyed the law by seeking congressional approval. And, while Obama was a candidate, he made the following statement:



Where the hell is all this hope and change Obama supporters are talking about? Looks like it is all down the toilet, along with Obama's integrity.

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So let me ask this.. just for clarification. Did Reagan get congressional approval before he attacked Libya, Granada and all his other "wars"?... Iran Contra? How about Bush Sr and Panama? Heck did Bush Jr even get real authorisation for Iraq... some claim he did not.

And as for Obama not carrying about the US constitution.. what about Bush Jr?

Or is this just more right wing American political bantering trying to make Obama look bad in the eyes of the rights loyal followers?

Just asking..
 
PeteEU said:
So let me ask this.. just for clarification. Did Reagan get congressional approval before he attacked Libya, Granada and all his other "wars"?... Iran Contra? How about Bush Sr and Panama?
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Red herring.
You're simply trying to deflect the issue away from The Secular Messiah because you know His actions cannot be defended, and you're too much of a blind partisan fool to call Him on it.

Aside from that:
All of these actions were taken in full accordance with the WPA.

Heck did Bush Jr even get real authorisation for Iraq... some claim he did not.
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Yes -- and those people are willfully ignorant, partisan bigots.
 
PeteEU said:
So let me ask this.. just for clarification. Did Reagan get congressional approval before he attacked Libya, Granada and all his other "wars"?... Iran Contra? How about Bush Sr and Panama? Heck did Bush Jr even get real authorisation for Iraq... some claim he did not.

And as for Obama not carrying about the US constitution.. what about Bush Jr?

Or is this just more right wing American political bantering trying to make Obama look bad in the eyes of the rights loyal followers?

Just asking..
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He didn't have to, because he was within the time frame allowed by the war powers act. Do you even know what the war powers act is?
 
I'm not a fan of the War Powers Act, I think that within it Congress gave away too much of its power and oversight which is supposed to exist. The President should not be able to use the military as he feels fit; there needs to be proper reasons and plenty of checks and balances to ensure that the President is acting properly with our military. Congress is supposed to be one of the largest checks on this power, but the War Powers Act essentially abdicated that power. And now we have a President who may not even listen to the WPA. It's a bit crazy and we need to enforce the rules of oversight and checks and balances which are supposed to exist within government to limit its power and ability to act to prescribed rolls and abilities.
 
Is Libya the country that got 75 loans from american banks after americans said no to giving them money for war?
 
PeteEU said:
So let me ask this.. just for clarification. Did Reagan get congressional approval before he attacked Libya, Granada and all his other "wars"?... Iran Contra? How about Bush Sr and Panama? Heck did Bush Jr even get real authorisation for Iraq... some claim he did not.

And as for Obama not carrying about the US constitution.. what about Bush Jr?

Or is this just more right wing American political bantering trying to make Obama look bad in the eyes of the rights loyal followers?

Just asking..
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Two wrongs don't make a right.
 
PeteEU said:
So let me ask this.. just for clarification. Did Reagan get congressional approval before he attacked Libya, Granada and all his other "wars"?... Iran Contra? How about Bush Sr and Panama? Heck did Bush Jr even get real authorisation for Iraq... some claim he did not.

And as for Obama not carrying about the US constitution.. what about Bush Jr?

Or is this just more right wing American political bantering trying to make Obama look bad in the eyes of the rights loyal followers?

Just asking..
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You have valid points but previous presidents making the same mistakes does not justify the current president making the same. Just because all previous presidents probably since 1861 have pissed on the constitution doesn't give our government the license to start wars at will. The people meaning us need to hold our government accountable and we need to stop dividing this complaint by parties, this affects all of us considering we are living under the same document. Complaining about previous administrations won't solve the problems with our current one in office. We should be asking ourselves who the F are we as a free people telling another country what it should be doing, especially when it has no effect on our own policies.
 
deltabtry said:
You have valid points but previous presidents making the same mistakes does not justify the current president making the same. Just because all previous presidents probably since 1861 have pissed on the constitution doesn't give our government the license to start wars at will. The people meaning us need to hold our government accountable and we need to stop dividing this complaint by parties, this affects all of us considering we are living under the same document. Complaining about previous administrations won't solve the problems with our current one in office. We should be asking ourselves who the F are we as a free people telling another country what it should be doing, especially when it has no effect on our own policies.
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Let's start with "What the hell are we doing in Libya?" It's got OIL. Who behind the scenes has the power to get us involved in this abortion? Why don't people ask this question. Preventing civilian killings by killing a bunch of civilians. Anyone who buys that bullcrap is retarded, but why don't the citizens want to know what is really going on and who the power brokers are? Screw the War Powers Act and find out the truth about what's behind this invasion. Wake up.
 
Just overthrow the regime and get done with it.
 
deltabtry said:
You have valid points but previous presidents making the same mistakes does not justify the current president making the same. Just because all previous presidents probably since 1861 have pissed on the constitution doesn't give our government the license to start wars at will. The people meaning us need to hold our government accountable and we need to stop dividing this complaint by parties, this affects all of us considering we are living under the same document. Complaining about previous administrations won't solve the problems with our current one in office. We should be asking ourselves who the F are we as a free people telling another country what it should be doing, especially when it has no effect on our own policies.
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I can put it more succinctly. If Bush supporters stuck their heads in barrels of manure, Obama supporters would do the same, and then have the nerve to point out the Bush supporters who did it. :mrgreen:

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And as for Obama not carrying about the US constitution.. what about Bush Jr?
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Looks like you were the first to put his head in the barrel on this thread. LOL.
 
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If Obama continues this path, he will definitely lose any vote from me. This would be an abuse of the WPA and should not be tolerated. Just as it was wrong for past presidents to abuse it like Bush Jr. it is also wrong for Obama to abuse it.
 
PeteEU said:
So let me ask this.. just for clarification. Did Reagan get congressional approval before he attacked Libya, Granada and all his other "wars"?... Iran Contra? How about Bush Sr and Panama? Heck did Bush Jr even get real authorisation for Iraq... some claim he did not.

And as for Obama not carrying about the US constitution.. what about Bush Jr?

Or is this just more right wing American political bantering trying to make Obama look bad in the eyes of the rights loyal followers?

Just asking..
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Excellent point. If one person breaks the law that means that everyone should. Oh wait. That's a stupid idea.
wtf does it matter if it's "bantering" or not if it's true?
 
I am glad he's done this and I hope he continues to push it. I don't care for the war powers. I think it needs to be closely examined and have restrictions placed on it if it's not outright done away with.
If Obama pushes it, maybe we'll get some action on that front.
It shouldn't be able to be used to justify being at war for years as it has been.
 
Simon W. Moon said:
I am glad he's done this and I hope he continues to push it. I don't care for the war powers. I think it needs to be closely examined and have restrictions placed on it if it's not outright done away with.
If Obama pushes it, maybe we'll get some action on that front.
It shouldn't be able to be used to justify being at war for years as it has been.
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Never ever give our leaders the key and unfettered access to the armory.
 
danarhea said:
I can put it more succinctly. If Bush supporters stuck their heads in barrels of manure, Obama supporters would do the same, and then have the nerve to point out the Bush supporters who did it. :mrgreen:



Looks like you were the first to put his head in the barrel on this thread. LOL.
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I remember we clashed a lot over this issue way back then, in this and another forum.

If I recall correctly, you were against it because you didn’t feel Iraq was an imminent threat to the US. You seem a bit more educated now so why don’t you explain the difference.
 
GPS_Flex said:
I remember we clashed a lot over this issue way back then, in this and another forum.

If I recall correctly, you were against it because you didn’t feel Iraq was an imminent threat to the US. You seem a bit more educated now so why don’t you explain the difference.
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Read my post again. I am against Obama's war on Libya, as I was against Bush's war on Iraq. The only difference is that one is a Republican and the other is a Democrat. Both are wrong. There is actually one important difference - Bush did go to Congress with misleading information, which turned out to be a pack of lies. Obama, on the other hand, didn't even have the decency to lie to Congress. He just decided that he is the law, and I believe that, if he does not submit to Congressional review, as prescribed by law, then he should be impeached for violating his oath of office, and engaging in what any reasonable person would describe as a criminal act.

In addition, if Obama continues to flaunt the law, then in 2012, if Sarah Palin (who I believe is a complete idiot) runs, I would vote for her as the best chance to remove a criminal from office.
 
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PeteEU said:
So let me ask this.. just for clarification. Did Reagan get congressional approval before he attacked Libya, Granada and all his other "wars"?... Iran Contra? How about Bush Sr and Panama? Heck did Bush Jr even get real authorisation for Iraq... some claim he did not.

And as for Obama not carrying about the US constitution.. what about Bush Jr?

Or is this just more right wing American political bantering trying to make Obama look bad in the eyes of the rights loyal followers?

Just asking..
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Only extreme partisan hacks are still misusing Sr. and Jr. to identify the two presidents named Bush.

And if you knew anything about the War Powers Act, you would know that Congressional authority was not needed for the actions in Grenada and Panama. Both Bush presidents DID get authorization from Congress for the extended actions in Iraq. Obama has NOT complied with the law and should be impeached...
 
PeteEU said:
So let me ask this.. just for clarification. Did Reagan get congressional approval before he attacked Libya, Granada and all his other "wars"?... Iran Contra? How about Bush Sr and Panama?
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They were all under 60 days duraton, which is the point of the debate.

Heck did Bush Jr even get real authorisation for Iraq... some claim he did not.
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Only sub-literate cavemen wearing soundproof earmuffs with blindfolds over their eyes would ever make a claim as goofy as that. Is that what they're saying in the UK media?
And as for Obama not carrying about the US constitution.. what about Bush Jr?
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What about Bush Jr.? Where's your point?

Or is this just more right wing American political bantering trying to make Obama look bad in the eyes of the rights loyal followers?
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Obama is looking bad in the eyes of everyone who has respect for the Law.

Maybe it's all about oil? Have you thought of that yet?
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