"He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
I bring to the reader's attention posts #428 and #429 from the thread (White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorization). The combined commentary from those posts along with that of my post #71 in this thread should put an end to this nonsense.
The President has not violated the War Powers Act nor the Constitution in any way. What we're seeing from members of Congress equates to political posturing, nothing more.
Last edited by Objective Voice; 06-15-11 at 01:50 PM.
senator barack obama, dec 20, 2007, the now famous interview with charlie savage of the boston globe:
Boston.com - Special reports - NewsThe President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation."
As Commander-in-Chief, the President does have a duty to protect and defend the United States. In instances of self-defense, the President would be within his constitutional authority to act before advising Congress or seeking its consent. History has shown us time and again, however, that military action is most successful when it is authorized and supported by the Legislative branch.”
as a matter of fact, affable, laughable, gaffe-able joe biden went one further:
"the president has no constitutional authority to take this nation to war against a country with 70 million people (iran) unless we're attacked or unless there's proof we're about to be attacked, and if he does, if he does, i would move to impeach him"
YouTube - Chris Matthews and Joe Biden
hey, they're sposed to be the experts
but are you sure they know what they're doing?
For the last time...
The President has NOT invoked the Constitution concerning Libya.
My post #428 from the aforementioned thread w/lead-off from GPS_Flex...
Then Catawaba's commentary (her post #429 from the same aforementioned thread):Originally Posted by GPS_FlexIn short, the UNPA gives the president the authority to negotiate peace agreements w/the U.N. Security Counsel in an effort to help establish peace in the face of hostilities abroad provided that a U.N. Resolution has been established concerning such hostilities. However, the President cannot go beyond the limits and scope of the U.N. resolution as mandated.I bring to your attention the United Nations Participatory Act of 1945, 22 U.S.C. § 287d:
The President is authorized to negotiate a special agreement or agreements with the Security Council which shall be subject to the approval of the Congress by appropriate Act or joint resolution, providing for the numbers and types of armed forces, their degree of readiness and general location, and the nature of facilities and assistance, including rights of passage, to be made available to the Security Council on its call for the purpose of maintaining international peace and security in accordance with article 43 of said Charter. The President shall not be deemed to require the authorization of the Congress to make available to the Security Council on its call in order to take action under article 42 of said Charter and pursuant to such special agreement or agreements the armed forces, facilities, or assistance provided for therein: Provided, That, except as authorized in section 287d–1 of this title, nothing herein contained shall be construed as an authorization to the President by the Congress to make available to the Security Council for such purpose armed forces, facilities, or assistance in addition to the forces, facilities, and assistance provided for in such special agreement or agreements.
Bottom Line: The UNPA is that "statutory" authorization per section 2(c)(2) of the War Powers Act.
Last edited by Objective Voice; 06-15-11 at 01:59 PM.
I'd just like to point out that I was totally correct in that thread (though perhaps after others).
Perhaps Obama has an Ollie North.
Last edited by ecofarm; 06-15-11 at 02:02 PM.