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    Re: Power outage: Libya war shows limits of War Powers Act

    For those who believe the President failed to notify Congress in the prerequisite time in accordance with the War Powers Act:

    Per Sect. 4:

    (a) In the absence of a declaration of war, [B]in any case in which United States Armed Forces are introduced...

    ...the President shall submit within 48 hours to the Speaker of the House of Representatives and to the President pro tempore of the Senate a report, in writing,...
    The President notified the Speaker of the House (Boehner) and the President Pro Temp (McConnell) on March 21, 2011 that he had committed armed forces to Libya on March 19, 2011. The dates are important because it is not the date that armed forces were committed, but rather the date the President notifies Congress that starts the countdown to either withdrawal or continue military commitment in theater.

    Per sect 5:

    (b) Within sixty calendar days after a report is submitted or is required to be submitted pursuant to section 4(a)(1), whichever is earlier, the President shall terminate any use of United States Armed Forces with respect to which such report was submitted (or required to be submitted), unless the Congress (1) has declared war or has enacted a specific authorization for such use of United States Armed Forces...
    As has already been mentioned, members of Congress are deliberating whether to allow an extension of armed forces or direct a total withdrawal from the area.

    Note: I know my fellow veterans know about Julian Dates. So, do the math...

    May 20 = Julian Date 140
    March 21 = Julian Date 80

    140-80 = 60 days

    The President has done his part; now it's up to Congress to do theirs.

    Personal Note: I find it very disingenuous that the Chairman of the House Armed Services Committee (and the House Speaker, BTW) would purposely deceive the public concerning the President's reporting to Congress on this matter. From the Chair, HASC's letter to the President (partial letter provided below):

    May 20 2011
    Chairman McKeon Letter to President Obama on Libya
    President Barack Obama
    1600 Pennsylvania Avenue
    Washington, D.C. 20500

    Dear Mr. President:

    As the United States military's involvement in Libya approaches 60 days without congressional authorization...
    Notice what he says concerning the reporting timeframe...not "exceeded 60 days" but "approaches 60 days"...implying that the prerequisite 60-day timeframe had not expired. But let's not let partisan dissuade us from the truth.
    Last edited by Objective Voice; 06-14-11 at 10:57 PM.

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    Re: Power outage: Libya war shows limits of War Powers Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    For those who believe the President failed to notify Congress in the prerequisite time in accordance with...:
    LOL. The spanking *is* coming. The one term president Obama will not have his splendid little war.

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    Re: Power outage: Libya war shows limits of War Powers Act

    "the president does not have power under the constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation"

    sincerely, senator barack obama

    meanwhile---nation building, anyone?

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    Re: Power outage: Libya war shows limits of War Powers Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    LOL. The spanking *is* coming. The one term president Obama will not have his splendid little war.
    I'd say that's up to Congress to decide at this point wouldn't you?

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    Re: Power outage: Libya war shows limits of War Powers Act

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    "the president does not have power under the constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation"

    sincerely, senator barack obama

    meanwhile---nation building, anyone?
    Once again, the President has not invoked the Constitution to take military action in Libya. He used the War Powers Act. You know it and I know it. So, let's stop trying to run-up these false flags at every opportunity where they don't apply.

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    Re: Power outage: Libya war shows limits of War Powers Act

    He's got about 2 weeks to wrap it up or he will be in violation of the WPA. He's probably counting on Gaddafi falling and it turning into a humanitarian mission, or handing over some drones to NATO and calling it a day. NATO is probably training at our drone stations right now in case Gaddafi doesn't go down in the next two weeks.
    Last edited by ecofarm; 06-15-11 at 11:50 AM.

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    Re: Power outage: Libya war shows limits of War Powers Act

    Frankly, I'd like to see a permanent repeal of the the War Powers Act. I'm an independent for a number of reasons but I find it amazing that the Democrats were vehemently against war and now are hell bent to invade half the globe in warfare with the U.S. In fact, Obama is all but begging Afghanistan to ask us to commit troops for decades into the future. Why? Neither side of the isle is making any effort to raise that question. What the hell are we doing in Afghanistan now?

    Now we find Republicans, those yellow ribbon, Patriot naming, warmongers who couldn't wait to lay the world to waste are now pleading for an end to war. Go figure.

    Me? I want our butts out of the Mid East and Africa and South America pronto. Too soon ain't quick enough. I've was opposed to American imperialism under Bush and I am opposed to it under Obama. Tossing the War Powers Act would help foster a national debate about war and future wars. That's a good thing.










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    Re: Power outage: Libya war shows limits of War Powers Act

    What the hell are we doing in Afghanistan now?
    Nation building. No one told you?

    Libya's next, but I think the Euros are gonna own that one.

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    Re: Power outage: Libya war shows limits of War Powers Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    the President has not invoked the Constitution to take military action in Libya.
    he invoked the constitution on january 20, 2009

    days not weeks, anyone?

    "limited" war?

    nato's china shop, not ours?

    are you sure this guy knows what he's doing?

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    Re: Power outage: Libya war shows limits of War Powers Act

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    I googled your link, I couldn't find any non-conservative biased media reporting on this.
    I'll bet it's a lie then.
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