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    Re: Power outage: Libya war shows limits of War Powers Act

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    After Iraq, uck no
    today:

    President Barack Obama's pick to lead the Pentagon said on Thursday he expected Iraq to eventually ask Washington to keep U.S. troops in the country beyond an end-2011 deadline for their withdrawal.

    When it does, the United States should say "yes," outgoing CIA chief Leon Panetta told a Senate committee weighing his nomination to become the next secretary of defense.

    "It's clear to me that Iraq is considering the possibility of making a request for some kind of (troop) presence to remain there," Panetta said.

    He said that he had "every confidence" the request would be "forthcoming at some point."
    Iraq expected to request U.S. troops stay: Panetta | Reuters

    yet another pretty promise pulverized by pragmatics

    party on, progressives

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    Re: Power outage: Libya war shows limits of War Powers Act

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    Iraq expected to request U.S. troops stay: Panetta | Reuters
    yet another pretty promise pulverized by pragmatics
    party on, progressives
    inorite?
    I thought that Iraq could last six days, six weeks. I doubted six months. But what's it been now? 8 years?

    The power of the PotUS to deploy troops for indefinite periods isn't so hot imho. Congress should have to have the balls to vote for war. They're shirking.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Power outage: Libya war shows limits of War Powers Act

    Quote Originally Posted by deltabtry View Post
    You have valid points but previous presidents making the same mistakes does not justify the current president making the same. Just because all previous presidents probably since 1861 have pissed on the constitution doesn't give our government the license to start wars at will. The people meaning us need to hold our government accountable and we need to stop dividing this complaint by parties, this affects all of us considering we are living under the same document. Complaining about previous administrations won't solve the problems with our current one in office. We should be asking ourselves who the F are we as a free people telling another country what it should be doing, especially when it has no effect on our own policies.
    It's the War Powers act of 1973 that is being broken here and now the government is starting to turn against the President, as they should.

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    Re: Power outage: Libya war shows limits of War Powers Act

    yesterday, defense secretary gates, per the gray lady, nyt

    now, SHE's a source (ie, that's how you do it):

    “The mightiest military alliance in history is only 11 weeks into an operation against a poorly armed regime in a sparsely populated country — yet many allies are beginning to run short of munitions, requiring the U.S., once more, to make up the difference,” Mr. Gates said.

    While the Libya war was unanimously endorsed by NATO nations, less than half are participating, and less than a third are carrying out strike missions.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/11/wo...ates.html?_r=1

    nato's war, not ours?

    anyone?

    in libya, obama is out and out liar---days not weeks, limited war, civilian lives and refugees...

    he's also a loser---nation building

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    Re: Power outage: Libya war shows limits of War Powers Act

    today:

    The US House of Representatives voted to prohibit the use of funds for American military operations in Libya.

    Lawmakers adopted the amendment to a military appropriations bill by a vote of 248 to 163.

    A number of members of Congress have recently expressed their dissatisfaction at President Barack Obama's decision to go ahead with operations in Libya in March and to continue without congressional authorization.

    The amendment, introduced by Democratic representative Brad Sherman from California, invokes the War Powers Resolution, a 1973 law that limits presidential powers on sending troops abroad into combat zones without the consent of Congress.

    Sherman's text states that "none of the funds made available by this act may be used in contravention of the War Powers Act."
    US Congress votes against Libya funding - Yahoo! News

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    Re: Power outage: Libya war shows limits of War Powers Act

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    So let me ask this.. just for clarification. Did Reagan get congressional approval before he attacked Libya, Granada and all his other "wars"?... Iran Contra? How about Bush Sr and Panama? Heck did Bush Jr even get real authorisation for Iraq... some claim he did not.

    And as for Obama not carrying about the US constitution.. what about Bush Jr?

    Or is this just more right wing American political bantering trying to make Obama look bad in the eyes of the rights loyal followers?

    Just asking..
    ok Mr just askin

    do you have kids? of course not, scratch that question.

    what if when you do, your kids asked you if they could do something that you knew to be wrong they retorted, "but Johnny did it, and Billy did it"

    please dont have kids, just dont..as grown ups most of us have been there..its rule #1 in life, ask yourself how you would raise a child and you usually come up with the right response to things, otherwise you get whatever drivle you just spewed about right wingers do it so so can we...

    and on topic, of course he is breaking the laws of our land by attacking Libya without congressional approval, dont embarrass yourselves by claiming differently
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    Re: Power outage: Libya war shows limits of War Powers Act

    Quote Originally Posted by shades View Post
    ok Mr just askin

    do you have kids? of course not, scratch that question.

    what if when you do, your kids asked you if they could do something that you knew to be wrong they retorted, "but Johnny did it, and Billy did it"

    please dont have kids, just dont..as grown ups most of us have been there..its rule #1 in life, ask yourself how you would raise a child and you usually come up with the right response to things, otherwise you get whatever drivle you just spewed about right wingers do it so so can we...

    and on topic, of course he is breaking the laws of our land by attacking Libya without congressional approval, dont embarrass yourselves by claiming differently
    Kind of like when Bush tortured, people said we did bad thing in WWII so it's cool. Right?

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    Re: Power outage: Libya war shows limits of War Powers Act

    well, half of congress has spoken

    a few hours after voting to defund operation whatever-the-heck-it-is-we're-doing-over-there-in-libya:

    House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, sent President Obama a letter Tuesday afternoon warning him that the operation in Libya will be violating the War Powers Resolution by this Sunday, which marks the 90th day of U.S. military involvement in the country.

    Boehner wants "a clear explanation of the legal standing under the War Powers Resolution," that Obama is using to justify continuing the operations behind Sunday.

    The letter is below.

    June 14, 2011

    Dear Mr. President:

    Five days from now, our country will reach the 90-day mark from the notification to Congress regarding the commencement of the military operation in Libya, which began on March 18, 2011. On June 3, 2011, the House passed a resolution which, among other provisions, made clear that the Administration has not asked for, nor received, Congressional authorization of the mission in Libya. Therefore, it would appear that in five days, the Administration will be in violation of the War Powers Resolution unless it asks for and receives authorization from Congress or withdraws all U.S. troops and resources from the mission.

    Since the mission began, the Administration has provided tactical operational briefings to the House of Representatives, but the White House has systematically avoided requesting a formal authorization for its action. It has simultaneously sought, however, to portray that its actions are consistent with the War Powers Resolution. The combination of these actions has left many Members of Congress, as well as the American people, frustrated by the lack of clarity over the Administration’s strategic policies, by a refusal to acknowledge and respect the role of the Congress, and by a refusal to comply with the basic tenets of the War Powers Resolution.

    You took an oath before the American people on January 20, 2009 in which you swore to “faithfully execute the Office of President” and to “preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.” The Constitution requires the President to “take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed,” and one of those laws is the War Powers Resolution, which requires an approving action by Congress or withdrawal within 90 days from the notification of a military operation. Given the mission you have ordered to the U.S. Armed Forces with respect to Libya and the text of the War Powers Resolution, the House is left to conclude that you have made one of two determinations: either you have concluded the War Powers Resolution does not apply to the mission in Libya, or you have determined the War Powers Resolution is contrary to the Constitution. The House, and the American people whom we represent, deserve to know the determination you have made.
    Boehner warns Obama that Libya will violate war powers | Susan Ferrechio | Beltway Confidential | Washington Examiner

    boehner's not subtle

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    Re: Power outage: Libya war shows limits of War Powers Act

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    well, half of congress has spoken

    a few hours after voting to defund operation whatever-the-heck-it-is-we're-doing-over-there-in-libya:

    boehner's not subtle
    I love it when the one term president Obama gets spanked. I loved it when the the leader of a democratic Israel refused
    to be bullied by the Chicago thug in the White House. And now I love it when a Republican leader spanks the one term tyrant.

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    Re: Power outage: Libya war shows limits of War Powers Act

    For those interested...

    "President Obama’s Letter About Efforts in Libya"
    May 20, 2011, NYTimes.com

    On March 21, I reported to the Congress that the United States, pursuant to a request from the Arab League and authorization by the United Nations Security Council, had acted 2 days earlier to prevent a humanitarian catastrophe by deploying U.S. forces to protect the people of Libya from the Qaddafi regime. As you know, over these last 2 months, the U.S. role in this operation to enforce U.N. Security Council Resolution 1973 has become more limited, yet remains important. Thus, pursuant to our ongoing consultations, I wish to express my support for the bipartisan resolution drafted by Senators Kerry, McCain, Levin, Feinstein, Graham, and Lieberman, which would confirm that the Congress supports the U.S. mission in Libya and that both branches are united in their commitment to supporting the aspirations of the Libyan people for political reform and self-government.

    The initial phase of U.S. military involvement in Libya was conducted under the command of the United States Africa Command. By April 4, however, the United States had transferred responsibility for the military operations in Libya to the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) and the U.S. involvement has assumed a supporting role in the coalition's efforts. Since April 4, U.S. participation has consisted of: (1) non-kinetic support to the NATO-led operation, including intelligence, logistical support, and search and rescue assistance; (2) aircraft that have assisted in the suppression and destruction of air defenses in support of the no-fly zone; and (3) since April 23, precision strikes by unmanned aerial vehicles against a limited set of clearly defined targets in support of the NATO-led coalition's efforts.

    While we are no longer in the lead, U.S. support for the NATO-based coalition remains crucial to assuring the success of international efforts to protect civilians from the actions of the Qaddafi regime. I am grateful for the support you and other Members in Congress have demonstrated for this mission and for our brave service members, as well as your strong condemnation of the Qaddafi regime. Congressional action in support of the mission would underline the U.S. commitment to this remarkable international effort. Such a Resolution is also important in the context of our constitutional framework, as it would demonstrate a unity of purpose among the political branches on this important national security matter. It has always been my view that it is better to take military action, even in limited actions such as this, with Congressional engagement, consultation, and support.

    Sincerely,

    Barack Obama

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