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    Re: Power outage: Libya war shows limits of War Powers Act

    There is already a thread on this topic:
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...orization.html

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    Re: Power outage: Libya war shows limits of War Powers Act

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I can put it more succinctly. If Bush supporters stuck their heads in barrels of manure, Obama supporters would do the same, and then have the nerve to point out the Bush supporters who did it.



    Looks like you were the first to put his head in the barrel on this thread. LOL.
    I remember we clashed a lot over this issue way back then, in this and another forum.

    If I recall correctly, you were against it because you didnít feel Iraq was an imminent threat to the US. You seem a bit more educated now so why donít you explain the difference.

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    Re: Power outage: Libya war shows limits of War Powers Act

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    I remember we clashed a lot over this issue way back then, in this and another forum.

    If I recall correctly, you were against it because you didn’t feel Iraq was an imminent threat to the US. You seem a bit more educated now so why don’t you explain the difference.
    Read my post again. I am against Obama's war on Libya, as I was against Bush's war on Iraq. The only difference is that one is a Republican and the other is a Democrat. Both are wrong. There is actually one important difference - Bush did go to Congress with misleading information, which turned out to be a pack of lies. Obama, on the other hand, didn't even have the decency to lie to Congress. He just decided that he is the law, and I believe that, if he does not submit to Congressional review, as prescribed by law, then he should be impeached for violating his oath of office, and engaging in what any reasonable person would describe as a criminal act.

    In addition, if Obama continues to flaunt the law, then in 2012, if Sarah Palin (who I believe is a complete idiot) runs, I would vote for her as the best chance to remove a criminal from office.
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    Re: Power outage: Libya war shows limits of War Powers Act

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    So let me ask this.. just for clarification. Did Reagan get congressional approval before he attacked Libya, Granada and all his other "wars"?... Iran Contra? How about Bush Sr and Panama? Heck did Bush Jr even get real authorisation for Iraq... some claim he did not.

    And as for Obama not carrying about the US constitution.. what about Bush Jr?

    Or is this just more right wing American political bantering trying to make Obama look bad in the eyes of the rights loyal followers?

    Just asking..
    Only extreme partisan hacks are still misusing Sr. and Jr. to identify the two presidents named Bush.

    And if you knew anything about the War Powers Act, you would know that Congressional authority was not needed for the actions in Grenada and Panama. Both Bush presidents DID get authorization from Congress for the extended actions in Iraq. Obama has NOT complied with the law and should be impeached...
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    Re: Power outage: Libya war shows limits of War Powers Act

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    So let me ask this.. just for clarification. Did Reagan get congressional approval before he attacked Libya, Granada and all his other "wars"?... Iran Contra? How about Bush Sr and Panama?
    They were all under 60 days duraton, which is the point of the debate.

    Heck did Bush Jr even get real authorisation for Iraq... some claim he did not.
    Only sub-literate cavemen wearing soundproof earmuffs with blindfolds over their eyes would ever make a claim as goofy as that. Is that what they're saying in the UK media?
    And as for Obama not carrying about the US constitution.. what about Bush Jr?
    What about Bush Jr.? Where's your point?

    Or is this just more right wing American political bantering trying to make Obama look bad in the eyes of the rights loyal followers?
    Obama is looking bad in the eyes of everyone who has respect for the Law.

    Maybe it's all about oil? Have you thought of that yet?

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    Re: Power outage: Libya war shows limits of War Powers Act

    Congress is going to debate this issue next week, you'll have your answer then. 30 days to disengage = 30 days for congress to say continue. Obama indeed did send a request to congress to reach a decision before the 60 day mark btw.
    Last edited by xpiher; 05-31-11 at 01:20 AM.

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    Re: Power outage: Libya war shows limits of War Powers Act

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Read my post again. I am against Obama's war on Libya, as I was against Bush's war on Iraq. The only difference is that one is a Republican and the other is a Democrat. Both are wrong. There is actually one important difference - Bush did go to Congress with misleading information, which turned out to be a pack of lies. Obama, on the other hand, didn't even have the decency to lie to Congress. He just decided that he is the law, and I believe that, if he does not submit to Congressional review, as prescribed by law, then he should be impeached for violating his oath of office, and engaging in what any reasonable person would describe as a criminal act.

    In addition, if Obama continues to flaunt the law, then in 2012, if Sarah Palin (who I believe is a complete idiot) runs, I would vote for her as the best chance to remove a criminal from office.
    I wasn't under the impression that you supported this war either. I was actually referring to the imminent threat thing that you now call ďa pack of liesĒ. I consider it bad intel but thatís an argument for another day.

    Just curious, do you think the War Powers Act allows or empowers a President to attack a nation, that isnít a threat, for 60 days without congressional approval?

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    Re: Power outage: Libya war shows limits of War Powers Act

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    Congress is going to debate this issue next week, you'll have your answer then. 30 days to disengage = 30 days for congress to say continue. Obama indeed did send a request to congress to reach a decision before the 60 day mark btw.
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    Re: Power outage: Libya war shows limits of War Powers Act

    Quote Originally Posted by DashingAmerican View Post
    I've heard nothing of this.
    Thats probably because you aren't a news junkie like me. Reid said in an interview with Maddow that the Senate would be poised to debate the issue on the 5th or 6th of June. Not sure what day it was on last week, you can look it up on her website though.

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    Re: Power outage: Libya war shows limits of War Powers Act

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    Thats probably because you aren't a news junkie like me. Reid said in an interview with Maddow that the Senate would be poised to debate the issue on the 5th or 6th of June. Not sure what day it was on last week, you can look it up on her website though.
    Could you post a link, please?
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