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    Re: Power outage: Libya war shows limits of War Powers Act

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    "and what he breaks WE own"
    Yes indeedy! So he should kill all those damn Libyan civilians while he has a chance because otherwise we will have to support them all just like Qaddaffi does. We don't need them, just the OIL. A very Corporate agenda, don't you think?
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    Re: Power outage: Libya war shows limits of War Powers Act

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    We don't need them, just the OIL. A very Corporate agenda, don't you think?
    So, in your opinion then we are fighting this war (or not fighting it) to provide European corporations with inexpensive oil?

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    Re: Power outage: Libya war shows limits of War Powers Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    So, in your opinion then we are fighting this war (or not fighting it) to provide European corporations with inexpensive oil?
    Just a guess, but I would guess that one or more of Exxon/Mobil's 128 tankers will make a nickel or dime per gallon transporting it. Chevron may move some and BP and Shell and it is the distribution network. My guess is the Libyan engineers in the Libyan National oil business can find other work. Perhaps pounding sand. Lots of new exploration by non'Libyans will follow as night follows day. Those non-Libyans will have names like BP, Shell, Exxon/Mobil, Chevron, Halliburton (now where have I heard that?), KBR, etc. And it will all be protected by contractors with names like Z. Who'd a thunk it?

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    Re: Power outage: Libya war shows limits of War Powers Act

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    "and what he breaks WE own"
    Yes indeedy! So he should kill all those damn Libyan civilians while he has a chance because otherwise we will have to support them all just like Qaddaffi does. We don't need them, just the OIL. A very Corporate agenda, don't you think?
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    Re: Power outage: Libya war shows limits of War Powers Act

    I don't think we can afford any military action in Libya, considering we're having trouble paying our own bills at home.

    I think Obama has overstepped the authority granted the executive branch, and I don't care who you think did it before, it doesn't make it right this time.

    I think Obama got a lot of mileage out of bashing Bush over various issues, but as time goes on, he keeps proving that he can't (or won't) do better. This issue is no exception.
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    Re: Power outage: Libya war shows limits of War Powers Act

    Quote Originally Posted by OmniRocky View Post
    I don't think we can afford any military action in Libya, considering we're having trouble paying our own bills at home.

    I think Obama has overstepped the authority granted the executive branch, and I don't care who you think did it before, it doesn't make it right this time.
    There are some who agree with you and will say that "two wrongs don't make a right," but the historical evidence of a President's authority to use the military in limited roles places this debate on President Obama's side. At issue continue to be the following as outlined in an article from Politico.com:

    So after nearly a decade of fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq, which has cost thousands of American lives and nearly $1.3 trillion, a Libya mission that is comparatively inexpensive — less than $1 billion so far — and does not require ground troops has become the battleground for questions over the extent of the president’s power and Congress’s willingness to let him use it.

    It all amounts to a historic test of Congress’s constitutional role as the war-making branch of government, the viability of the Vietnam-era War Powers Act and the ongoing public appetite for American military engagement abroad. Not only is Obama clashing with critics in Congress, but the Republicans competing to take him on in the 2012 presidential election debated the matter at their New Hampshire forum last week.

    Ultimately, there are two issues at play: The first is whether the U.S. should be involved in Libya, and the second is whether the president needs congressional approval to continue American operations in that theater. After three months of debate on Libya, they have become intertwined in some minds. Republicans who have historically backed a robust presidency say Obama is violating the War Powers Act. Meanwhile, Democrats who have sought to limit presidential war-making power are comfortable with Obama’s belief that the War Powers law doesn’t apply to the situation in Libya.
    Frankly, I firmly believe that if Congress didn't want our armed forces in Libya all they have to do is vote overwhelmingly on a congressional resolution demanding that the President withdraw all military from the region. But they haven't. Yesterday was the 90-day mark. I'd think that if this truly were an issue Congress had a problem with they'd have had the resolution drafted, brought it before the House floor and voted accordingly for thing this morning. But they haven't. Why?

    Only a handful of politicians on both sides of the aisle are calling for a withdrawal (or for the President's head for that matter). Why not the entire Congress (or a significant majority)? I think people really need to start asking themselves this question.

    Again, I don't agree with the President that we are not involved in hostilities in Libya, but I can support his attempts to restrict placing our servicemena and women in harms way by not allowing combat forces in theater. Even Congressional Resolution H. Res. 292 calls for "no boots on the ground in Libya". Furthermore, if Congress really wanted to restrict our military involvement in Libya still further, all they have to do is include in the resolution "no use of drones, military gunships, air-to-ground offensive weapons including fighter planes or air-to-ground missiles will be used" and that puts a complete lid on the matter. But they haven't done that either. Why?

    I think Obama got a lot of mileage out of bashing Bush over various issues, but as time goes on, he keeps proving that he can't (or won't) do better. This issue is no exception.
    In times of war on the advice of member of the incoming Administration, the incoming President usually carries forward with some policies from his predecessor. It's not uncommon.

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    Re: Power outage: Libya war shows limits of War Powers Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    In times of war on the advice of member of the incoming Administration, the incoming President usually carries forward with some policies from his predecessor. It's not uncommon.
    During the election campaign Barrack Obama denounced the Bush policies but he now is not only continuing with them, he is expanding on them.

    If it wasn't so serious, and the fact that it lasts four years, it might have been quite a funny joke that's been played on the American electorate.

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    Re: Power outage: Libya war shows limits of War Powers Act

    Ok, so he is not using the WPA. That is officially irrelevent?

    That blunder of a strike might have missed Gaddafi.

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    Re: Power outage: Libya war shows limits of War Powers Act

    if he's following his predecessor's policies he'd get that resolution

    meanwhile, bigger picture:

    what's the mission?

    what's the time frame?

    what's the exit strategy?

    what's the follow up?

    are you sure this guy knows what he's doing?

    i'll bet ms krass isn't

    oh, well, party on, partisans

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