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    Re: Power outage: Libya war shows limits of War Powers Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    If you believe our word means nothing, that no nation should expect us to keep our agreements as they are meaningless, what do you think that says about us?


    BTW, the invasion of Iraq wasn't really in our interest, which makes it all the more confusing.
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    Re: Power outage: Libya war shows limits of War Powers Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    UN Security Council.

    Now, it is a debatable point. And I really don't like interfering much. The only real reason I can see is trying to stop large deaths of civilians, like what we saw in Rwanda and Sudan (where we wrongly did not act). But the line is not as clear as I would like, and we have no business deciding leadership of another country.

    It is not a debatable point. Who or what gave you that idea? Did you not read the law, or do you still not understand it?

    Why are the leftists not complaining about the "quagmire", it's "another Vietnam", "it's all about oil"?

    Just when they have something real to complain about they fall silent.

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    Re: Power outage: Libya war shows limits of War Powers Act

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    It's not confusing at all. When Bush became president, the Democrats rediscovered the Constitution. When Obama became president, The Republicans rediscovered the Constitution.
    Bush followed the Constitution, Obama did not. There is no comparison.

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    Re: Power outage: Libya war shows limits of War Powers Act

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    It's not confusing at all. When Bush became president, the Democrats rediscovered the Constitution. When Obama became president, The Republicans rediscovered the Constitution.
    But at least Bush sought AND received authorization from Congress. Still waiting for Obama to receive his...
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    Re: Power outage: Libya war shows limits of War Powers Act

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Limits of War Powers Act? WTF?!?! The War Powers Act happens to be the law. What seems to have limits here is Obama's willingness to obey the law. And, according to the law, Obama is committing a criminal act.

    I was all over Bush for going into Iraq. Yes, I know, I know, he gave Congress misleading information, but even Bush obeyed the law by seeking congressional approval. And, while Obama was a candidate, he made the following statement:



    Where the hell is all this hope and change Obama supporters are talking about? Looks like it is all down the toilet, along with Obama's integrity.

    Article is here.
    He also said he was against the war in Iraq from day one and how long are the your troops still there. Me think's it's time to get the peace prize back.
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    Re: Power outage: Libya war shows limits of War Powers Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    Obama has shown that he has little regard for the Constitution, the Laws or his Oath of office.


    He is acting more and more like he's a Dictator and is challenging Congress to do something about it.

    He knows that even if he is impeached, the Senate will being controlled by Reid and Liberals will never vote to remove him from office.

    If that happens we will have even more trouble.
    Well Bush didn't give a crap about your Constitution either.
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    Re: Power outage: Libya war shows limits of War Powers Act

    Quote Originally Posted by PzKfW IVe View Post
    Red herring.
    You're simply trying to deflect the issue away from The Secular Messiah because you know His actions cannot be defended, and you're too much of a blind partisan fool to call Him on it.

    Aside from that:
    All of these actions were taken in full accordance with the WPA.


    Yes -- and those people are willfully ignorant, partisan bigots.
    His actions can't be defended. But precedent has been set.
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    Re: Power outage: Libya war shows limits of War Powers Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    Excellent point. If one person breaks the law that means that everyone should. Oh wait. That's a stupid idea.
    wtf does it matter if it's "bantering" or not if it's true?
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    Re: Power outage: Libya war shows limits of War Powers Act

    Just an FYI for those interested...

    From C-SSPAN today (remarks parsed for emphasis):

    Speaker Boehner rejected a report sent by President Obama earlier this week as incomplete and lacking justification for bypassing Congressional approval.

    Speaker Boehner was not satisfied and rejected the President’s notion that the U.S is not involved in “hostilities.” “We're part of an effort to drop bombs on Qadhafi's compounds,” Boehner said, “it doesn't pass the straight face test, in my view, that we're not in the midst of hostilities.”

    Speaker Boehner said the report fails to meet the requirements Congress passed on June 3rd that says the President must give the legislative body a full and detailed report and legal justification within 14 days, which is today.

    Boehner said “the House has options” on next steps. One of the major tools in lawmakers’ toolbox is to cut funding.
    Translation: Speaker Boehner "I'm not budging on this Libya issue until I get more spending cuts."

    In short, more political posturing. I mean, really, folks. If the Speaker of the House honestly believed the President hasn't adhered to the law, don't you think he would have called for the immediate withdraw of U.S. armed forces from the region especially since he said he was not satisfied with the report the President provide justifying having armed forces there? C'mon, folks!!!

    Congress has the power to end this here...NOW! But they won't because it's not about whether or not the President has violated the law or the Constitution. It's about "one-upsmenship"....political posturing. Look at what Boehner says is his biggest issue with having our military in the area, “it doesn't pass the straight face test, in my view, that we're not in the midst of hostilities.”

    Not that the President has missed reporting deadlines per the WPA, not that he has violated the Constitution but "it doesn't pass the straight face test...that we're not in the midst of hostilities."

    Either pass a resolution demanding the immediate withdraw of our military from the air, land and sea around Libya or give the President the authority to try and finish this NATO mission within a specific timeframe, but STOP AROUND PLAYING STUPID POLITICAL GAMES!!!

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    Re: Power outage: Libya war shows limits of War Powers Act

    The reporting deadlines in the WPA are not clear in regard to his report to congress for continuing past 60 days. I presume said report must be submitted within 30 days of the approval deadline (in line with the required withdrawl of units), but this is not explicit in the WPA.

    If something doesn't happen this weekend, he will be in violation on Monday for employing units over 90 days. I suppose the deadline on the report is debatable.

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