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    Re: Power outage: Libya war shows limits of War Powers Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    This has nothing to do with the UN or NATO and anyone who mentions either of these organizations is trying to raise a smoke screen in order to hide the facts.

    The law is clear, and it is being broken. Congress is powerless to stop the President, apart from the provisions of the WPA, and it is he who is breaking the law.
    Congress can defund the President. They can defund the effort. They can prohibit the expenditure of any further funds. And they can bring impeachment proceedings.

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    Re: Power outage: Libya war shows limits of War Powers Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Congress can defund the President. They can defund the effort. They can prohibit the expenditure of any further funds. And they can bring impeachment proceedings.
    Right, and it just might come to that.

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    Re: Power outage: Libya war shows limits of War Powers Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    But we're not exempt from international law, or more specifically from the agreements we made and signed and ratified through congress.
    But the President still must act within the Constitution and U.S. law

    No it really was not according to international law. By our agreements would could only invade with the consent of the security council or if faced with an imminent threat. Neither condition existed. We broke our agreement.
    You didn't read the UNSC resolutions very closely, did you?
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    Re: Power outage: Libya war shows limits of War Powers Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Which takes us right back to both the United Nations Participatory Act of 1945 and the War Powers Act of 1973. IMO, the UNPA is that "statutory clause" the President can use to invoke the War Powers Act of 1973 when he has a U.N. Resolution calling for U.S. military action on peace keeping or humanitarian grounds. Based on my interpretation of these laws, it does not mean that the President can "go to war" with any nation he pleases. ONLY CONGRESS CAN DECLARE WAR AGAINST ANOTHER NATION. But both the UNPA and the WPA gives the President some latitude in using armed forces abroad in a limited capacity.
    I have already commented on that act. It required the ratification of Congress. And as the WPA comes afterward, if there are any contradictory provisions, the WPA supercedes it...
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    Re: Power outage: Libya war shows limits of War Powers Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Wasn't there a town in Ohio during the Bush/Kerry election who had more people vote fopr Bush than lived in the town?
    Could you actually cite a credible link???
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    Re: Power outage: Libya war shows limits of War Powers Act

    links?

    LOL!

    from sydney?

    meanwhile, today:

    At least three NATO bombing runs shook the Libyan capital late Thursday. The targets were not immediately known and there was no report of casualties.

    NATO launched its air campaign nearly three months ago under a United Nations resolution to protect civilians. What started as a peaceful uprising inside the country against Gadhafi and his more than four-decade rule has become a civil war.

    Fighting between government forces and the rebels had reached a stalemate until last week when NATO launched the heaviest bombardment of Gadhafi forces since the alliance took control of the skies over Libya.

    Tunisian army official Mokhtar Ben Nasr said the number of Libyans fleeing has mounted in recent days, with 6,330 Libyan refugees crossing into Tunisia earlier this week.

    In Washington, the White House insisted Wednesday that President Barack Obama has the authority to continue U.S. military action in Libya even without authorization from lawmakers in Congress.

    Its 32-page report to Congress argues that because the U.S. has a limited, supporting role in the NATO-led bombing campaign in Libya and American forces are not engaged in sustained fighting, the president is within his constitutional rights to direct the mission on his own.
    NATO hits Gadhafi compound, diplomacy heats up - CTV News

    no "hostilities" since april 7, anyone?

    refugees?

    party on, peaceniks

    enjoy obama's other war

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    Re: Power outage: Libya war shows limits of War Powers Act

    do you KNOW the senior senator from illinois and current WHIP?

    today:

    The Senate’s No. 2 Democrat, Dick Durbin (D-Ill.), said the White House is wrong to claim that U.S. involvement in the conflict does not require the authorization of Congress.

    Despite his support for U.S. engagement in Libya, Durbin said Congress needs to approve the mission.

    “I think the president is right in what he is doing, but we have a responsibility … to decide that this offensive use of military force, even for a good humanitarian purpose, is one that requires the authorization of the American people through their members of Congress,” Durbin said from the floor Thursday.

    Durbin was reacting to a 32-page report released by the White House on Wednesday that argues the Libya mission does not need congressional authorization because it doesn’t amount to “hostilities.”

    “I believe that what we are engaged in with Libya is a matter that should come under the War Powers Resolution,” Durbin said. “I believe that we should, as a Congress, consider it under the War Powers Resolution.”
    Durbin: Libya conflict requires authorization by Congress - The Hill's Floor Action

    if you can't see the seeds of congressional rebellion sprouting, and from whence, you must be as outta touch as barack the slasher himself

    what do you think the durbins and woolseys are gonna be saying in a month

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    Re: Power outage: Libya war shows limits of War Powers Act

    Carney: Obama 'owns' Libya report | POLITICO 44

    he sure does, mr press secty

    pottery barn, anyone?

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    Re: Power outage: Libya war shows limits of War Powers Act

    Replacing an *evil* regime with one that is worse does not count as righteous, Mr President

    Exactly where do we get the right to intervene in Libya?

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    Re: Power outage: Libya war shows limits of War Powers Act

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    Replacing an *evil* regime with one that is worse does not count as righteous, Mr President

    Exactly where do we get the right to intervene in Libya?
    UN Security Council.

    Now, it is a debatable point. And I really don't like interfering much. The only real reason I can see is trying to stop large deaths of civilians, like what we saw in Rwanda and Sudan (where we wrongly did not act). But the line is not as clear as I would like, and we have no business deciding leadership of another country.

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