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    Re: Power outage: Libya war shows limits of War Powers Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Would explain why CONGRESS overrode a Presidential veto and why NO MEMBER OF CONGRESS has ever gone to the Supreme Court over questioning the legality of the War Powers Act or have even attempted to repeal it. But by all means, let's not allow the facts cloud your judgment.

    If Congress truly believed the War Powers Act was unconstitutional THEY and THEY alone have the power to repeal it.

    If Congress truly believes President Obama has violated the Constitution concerning Libya, why don't they simply seak to impeach him?
    Quite probably Congress felt there was no need to repeal because they assumed any President would follow the intent of the Constitution and the subsequent War Powers Act, They did not reckon with Barrack Obama, who is proving to be the opposite of who he claimed to be during his election campaign.

    The key Section 1541(c) reads:

    (c) Presidential Executive Power as Commander-in-Chief; Limitation The constitutional powers of the President as Commander-in-Chief to introduce United States Armed Forces into hostilities, or into situations where imminent involvement in hostilities is clearly indicated by the circumstances, are exercised only pursuant to (1) a declaration of war, (2) specific statutory authorization, or (3) a national emergency created by attack upon the United States, its territories or possessions, or its armed forces.
    Everything else, such as the 60 day rule, and the 30 day follow-up, flows from that. Without the above the rest is meaningless.

    He should be impeached and he should certainly not be seeking re election. Anyone who votes for this guy, apart from the usual dead people, is beyond stupid.

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    Re: Power outage: Libya war shows limits of War Powers Act

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    Anyone who votes for this guy, apart from the usual dead people, is beyond stupid.
    It just disgusts me that election after election nearly all of the dead people vote for Democrats. Why can't Republicans get any of the dead to vote for them? Talk about a block vote. What has the Democratic party done to deserve the entire dead vote?

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    Re: Power outage: Libya war shows limits of War Powers Act

    Wasn't there a town in Ohio during the Bush/Kerry election who had more people vote fopr Bush than lived in the town?

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Power outage: Libya war shows limits of War Powers Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Would explain why CONGRESS overrode a Presidential veto and why NO MEMBER OF CONGRESS has ever gone to the Supreme Court over questioning the legality of the War Powers Act or have even attempted to repeal it. But by all means, let's not allow the facts cloud your judgment.

    If Congress truly believed the War Powers Act was unconstitutional THEY and THEY alone have the power to repeal it.

    If Congress truly believes President Obama has violated the Constitution concerning Libya, why don't they simply seak to impeach him?
    So let me get this straight: Congress hasn't questioned an act they passed, they haven't tried to repeal it, and they haven't asked to impeach Obama. Therefore the act is constitutional?

    No. The fact that Congress is so apathetic and willing to disregard the constitution just makes matters more despicable, not more legal.
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    Re: Power outage: Libya war shows limits of War Powers Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    So let me get this straight: Congress hasn't questioned an act they passed, they haven't tried to repeal it, and they haven't asked to impeach Obama. Therefore the act is constitutional?

    No. The fact that Congress is so apathetic and willing to disregard the constitution just makes matters more despicable, not more legal.
    Our problems are as much with congress as with the president, and have been for a long time. Congress reallydoesn't want to do it's job, so they allow the presidetn to act as he sees fit even when consulted. The constitution calls for congress to declare war, and that is the thinking we need to go back to. Congress needs to have a real say in our actions. The WPA has been a failure for some time now IMHO.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Power outage: Libya war shows limits of War Powers Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Our problems are as much with congress as with the president, and have been for a long time. Congress reallydoesn't want to do it's job, so they allow the presidetn to act as he sees fit even when consulted. The constitution calls for congress to declare war, and that is the thinking we need to go back to. Congress needs to have a real say in our actions. The WPA has been a failure for some time now IMHO.
    I agree completely. One could say the founding father's overestimated the Congress's willingness to check the executive, or we the people's willingness to check the Congress. All the government has to do is get the people scared enough to accept blatant violations of the Constitution.

    I forget where I read this statistic, so I would fact check it, but apparently Congress has not declared war in the constitutional way since WWII. That is sickening.
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    Re: Power outage: Libya war shows limits of War Powers Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Our problems are as much with congress as with the president, and have been for a long time. Congress reallydoesn't want to do it's job, so they allow the presidetn to act as he sees fit even when consulted. The constitution calls for congress to declare war, and that is the thinking we need to go back to. Congress needs to have a real say in our actions. The WPA has been a failure for some time now IMHO.
    Congress. through the War Powers Act, allowed the President to make these decisions in times of emergency and crisis only, and not in cases like Libya. It is not such a bad law if it is adhered to. The current President of the USA is breaking the law. There is really no doubt about it. He'll soon have some real splainin to do.

    Those brave Democrats who are daring to stand up to the party machine should be congratulated.

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    Re: Power outage: Libya war shows limits of War Powers Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    I agree completely. One could say the founding father's overestimated the Congress's willingness to check the executive, or we the people's willingness to check the Congress. All the government has to do is get the people scared enough to accept blatant violations of the Constitution.

    I forget where I read this statistic, so I would fact check it, but apparently Congress has not declared war in the constitutional way since WWII. That is sickening.
    The Constitution does not give a method for declaring war. So any way they want to is fine. In most case they authorize the use of force. That combined with continued funding is a declaration of war.

    Libya is quite interesting. In this case it seems that the Congress is not declaring war. And that will generate a mini-crisis. If the President continues the Congress can withdraw funding. The can also impeach the one term president Obama. I am hopeful.

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    Re: Power outage: Libya war shows limits of War Powers Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Congress. through the War Powers Act, allowed the President to make these decisions in times of emergency and crisis only, and not in cases like Libya. It is not such a bad law if it is adhered to. The current President of the USA is breaking the law. There is really no doubt about it. He'll soon have some real splainin to do.

    Those brave Democrats who are daring to stand up to the party machine should be congratulated.
    There seems to be a debate on that, as UN actions are aprt of that. I personally would prefer more imput form congress, but as noted congress simply doesn't want to take responsibility.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Power outage: Libya war shows limits of War Powers Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    There seems to be a debate on that, as UN actions are aprt of that. I personally would prefer more imput form congress, but as noted congress simply doesn't want to take responsibility.
    This has nothing to do with the UN or NATO and anyone who mentions either of these organizations is trying to raise a smoke screen in order to hide the facts.

    The law is clear, and it is being broken. Congress is powerless to stop the President, apart from the provisions of the WPA, and it is he who is breaking the law.

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