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    Re: Power outage: Libya war shows limits of War Powers Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    The matter of declaring war -vs- armed conflict isn't so cut-N-dry as many people may think. Read the two linked articles below then consider how the Libya conflict squares with both Congress' war power and international law(s) because both are relevent.

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    Both links are, in reality, pretty simplistic. However, it doesn't change the fact that President Obama's powers as commander in chief of the United States armed forces is governed by the Constitution of the United States and the laws passed by Congress, and not by international law.
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    Re: Power outage: Libya war shows limits of War Powers Act

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Both links are, in reality, pretty simplistic. However, it doesn't change the fact that President Obama's powers as commander in chief of the United States armed forces is governed by the Constitution of the United States and the laws passed by Congress, and not by international law.
    But we're not exempt from international law, or more specifically from the agreements we made and signed and ratified through congress.

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    Re: Power outage: Libya war shows limits of War Powers Act

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Iraq was legal according to the letter of international law, even is many beg to differ. And it was also legal according to US law as it was authorized by Congress.

    According to international law, the current mission skirts on legality, but it seems to certainly be legal. However, as of Sunday, it will NOT be legal according to U.S. law.

    Yeah, I think we agree about 90% on this, however...
    No it really was not according to international law. By our agreements would could only invade with the consent of the security council or if faced with an imminent threat. Neither condition existed. We broke our agreement.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Power outage: Libya war shows limits of War Powers Act

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    But we're not exempt from international law, or more specifically from the agreements we made and signed and ratified through congress.
    We are exempt to the degree we want to be.

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    Re: Power outage: Libya war shows limits of War Powers Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    We are exempt to the degree we want to be.
    Only if our signed agreements mean nothing to us, making us untrustworthy.

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    Re: Power outage: Libya war shows limits of War Powers Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Only if our signed agreements mean nothing to us, making us untrustworthy.
    We are already untrustworthy. What is in our interest? That is what controls.

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    Re: Power outage: Libya war shows limits of War Powers Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    We are already untrustworthy. What is in our interest? That is what controls.
    If you believe our word means nothing, that no nation should expect us to keep our agreements as they are meaningless, what do you think that says about us?


    BTW, the invasion of Iraq wasn't really in our interest, which makes it all the more confusing.

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    Re: Power outage: Libya war shows limits of War Powers Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    If you believe our word means nothing, that no nation should expect us to keep our agreements as they are meaningless, what do you think that says about us?
    It says we are a sovereign nation.

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    Re: Power outage: Libya war shows limits of War Powers Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    It says we are a sovereign nation.
    No. A sovereign nation can still honor its agreements and still stay soveriegn. Like other relationahip, breaking an agreement means you're untrustworthy, o be looked upon with scorn, not trusted, mcuh like you would do with a person you know who always breaks agreements he or she makes with you.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Power outage: Libya war shows limits of War Powers Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    If you believe our word means nothing
    no, words have meanings

    "the president does not have power under the constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation"

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