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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

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    probably on all the welfare recipients I see sitting on their front steps in the housing projects as I drive to and from work every day. none of them appear to be in any kind of welfare to work program. but, of course, they all could possibly qualify for one of the dozens of exemptions to that requirement
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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    They are going to release non-violent drug offenders and probably deport illegals.

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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    I am not arguing that the system isn't stupid. I think it is in need of some serious revision. The 3 strikes law is indeed too broad and needs revision but that’s a lot different than trying to paint the prisons here in CA as being full of 19 year olds who got caught with a little pot.


    If I get caught with less than an ounce of pot here in CA, the penalty is $100. I got caught by a photo camera turning right on red a few months ago and had to pay $490. Pot isn’t a crime that people are going to prison for here unless there is something else involved.
    True....but people do go to prison here in California for sales of weed and cultivation....both of which is silly. I understand....selling to kids should be treated more seriously, but sales or cultivation of weed for adults isn't worth prison.

    People go to prison here for possession of cocaine and other drugs. Not everyone in California qualifies for prop 36 program...there are a lot of restrictions that keep a lot of people out of the program.

    Judges and prosecutors are quick to throw people in prison here in Los Angeles, because it makes them look tough and wins them votes. They aren't interested in correcting the problem and finding solutions.
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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    Another worry about prisons, which someone touched on earlier, is criminalization that happens. let's say we have a 20 year old who does some stupid **** like minor theft. He's not a hardened criminal, he's young and stupid. He gets locked up. Now he's in prison, and to survive, he has to join a gang. The gang indoctrinates him in prison, and teaches him how to be a better criminal Now when he's out, he's already well on the path of being a life-long gang member. It's a problem that needs to be reformed some how.
    Just to make the point: none of this has anything to do with the court ruling or the case in question.
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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    Another worry about prisons, which someone touched on earlier, is criminalization that happens. let's say we have a 20 year old who does some stupid **** like minor theft. He's not a hardened criminal, he's young and stupid. He gets locked up. Now he's in prison, and to survive, he has to join a gang. The gang indoctrinates him in prison, and teaches him how to be a better criminal Now when he's out, he's already well on the path of being a life-long gang member. It's a problem that needs to be reformed some how.
    that 20 year old who does something stupid is not going to prison for a 1st time offense. that's the part you bleeding heart libs refuse to get. by the time someone ends up in prison, they have already been given several chances.
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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    that 20 year old who does something stupid is not going to prison for a 1st time offense.
    Yes he can. You don't know what you are talking about. The people typically given chances are middle class white kids. Do some rudimentary research before trying to come off as an expert.

    And if you don't believe me, I can upload my college degrees.

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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    that 20 year old who does something stupid is not going to prison for a 1st time offense. that's the part you bleeding heart libs refuse to get. by the time someone ends up in prison, they have already been given several chances.
    Not necessarily. I've had many cases in which first-time offenders go to prison....its not all that uncommon
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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    If they really need less prisoners they could just end the War on Drugs.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I always find SCOTUS rulings interesting, so went to my favorite site on them to read a bit about this. SCOTUSBlog should be required reading for people interested in how the Supreme Court rules and what those rulings mean.

    Partial OK for prisoner release : SCOTUSblog



    What is going from what I can see is that the 8th amendment prohibits cruel and unusual punishment. Inadequate access to health care for prisoners is considered a violation of this. The Prison Litigation Reform Act says that the courts can only require prisoner releases as essentially a matter of last resort. SCOTUS rules that in fact this was "the least intrusive means necessary to correct the violation of the Federal right".

    If prisoners are required to have adequate access to health care under the 8th amendment, and there is no other way to do this that the state can do, then it looks to me as if this is probably a reasonable ruling.
    I can’t disagree with anything you said except to say that I think the court got it wrong because the remedy for the case brought before them does nothing to resolve the problem because the heath care facilities will remain under funded and facilitated even after this ruling.

    I agree that the states owe basic healthcare to prisoners but there should be a limit to what is required to be provided.

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    It would seem that the constitution is just a god damn piece of paper, to be trotted out when expedient.

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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post

    Seems successful.

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