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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    Even then, the courts aren’t sending kids to prison for this crap so your examples are disingenuous.
    Putting aside ages for the moment, the three strikes law still applies. Drug possession is a felony. You get caught a few times and you get life in prison.

    See how stupid the system is?

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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    I'd rather spend $20K per year to keep them in prison than give them $20K per year in welfare. at least in prison they won't be becoming baby daddy to five different women.
    OK, let's put aside the fairly blatant racism in randomly bringing welfare into a discussion about people in prison for minor crimes, and using the phrase "baby daddy." And let's put aside the appalling human rights violations that take place in prison, where instead of becoming a "baby daddy to five different women," they become a woman to five different prisoners.

    What the hell makes you think that people convicted of minor crimes would be on welfare if they weren't in prison? Even if we assume that half of them would, that would still be far cheaper than incarceration.

    If you don't want poor people to breed (I say "poor people" even though we both know who you're actually referring to), surely there are more cost-effective ways than locking them in a cage for their 20s for no particular reason. Sex education, for example.
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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    I know enough to know that they don't make you go to school or get training to get a check.
    as i posted before, i don't believe men even GET welfare for themselves, do they? i think not.

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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    I always find SCOTUS rulings interesting, so went to my favorite site on them to read a bit about this. SCOTUSBlog should be required reading for people interested in how the Supreme Court rules and what those rulings mean.

    Partial OK for prisoner release : SCOTUSblog

    At the time the District Court issued its order, this release requirement meant that, at the greatest level, somewhere around 46,000 inmates would have to go free to meet the two-year goal. That figure has dropped somewhat, and current estimates are that perhaps 37,000 will have to be released, unless state officials come up with alternatives to outright release.

    Although Justice Anthony M. Kennedy, the main opinion’s author, anticipated that a massive release of those dimensions could ultimately be avoided, he did concede that some releases could not be avoided. “Absent a reduction in overcrowding, any remedy might prove unattainable and would at the very least require vast expenditures of resources by the state,” Kennedy wrote. And there is nothing in the history of the two prisoner lawsuits decided Monday, Kennedy said, to suggest that the state will come up with the money needed to finance alternatives to reduced populations. (The two cases were decided under the combined titled of Brown v. Plata, et al. (docket 19-1233.)

    The decision upheld what clearly is the most sweeping inmate release order in the 15-year history of the Prison Litigation Reform Act, a federal law that Congress passed to set new standards to govern when federal courts order prisoners be set free. The Act limits such orders to those that are “truly necessary” to avoid a violation of inmates’ rights, specifies that they can only be issued as a last resort, requires that prior court orders to protect inmates’ rights have been tried and failed, mandates that state officials be given time to pursue alternatives, and allows an actual release order only if overcrowding is the primary cause of the violation. (Before that law was enacted, federal courts for years had used their general powers to remedy wrongs, and did order actual releases.)
    What is going from what I can see is that the 8th amendment prohibits cruel and unusual punishment. Inadequate access to health care for prisoners is considered a violation of this. The Prison Litigation Reform Act says that the courts can only require prisoner releases as essentially a matter of last resort. SCOTUS rules that in fact this was "the least intrusive means necessary to correct the violation of the Federal right".

    If prisoners are required to have adequate access to health care under the 8th amendment, and there is no other way to do this that the state can do, then it looks to me as if this is probably a reasonable ruling.
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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    distributing pot to your underage friends is not the same thing as "being caught with a little weed".
    Yeah...but you see in LA a lot....they send a really hot u/c cop into the high school. She comes onto a bunch of guys and asks them to get weed for her....when they do, they bust them for seilling and/or distributing weed.

    You also get teams of cops that regularly target skid row and bust people for crack.....

    Really? Is this how tax payers money should be spent?
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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    tell me that when you catch a 19 year old ****ing your 17 y/o daughter. but, of course, you'd probably have no problem with that.
    Funny enough, most states have closeness laws where a 19 year old won't get in trouble for sleeping with a 17 year old.

    I have no problem with it. except that it is a pipe dream. the govt will never put that kind of restriction on giving out welfare.
    Except, most states have.
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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    as i posted before, i don't believe men even GET welfare for themselves, do they? i think not.
    oh and btw.......

    Considerations
    Excluding exemptions, unemployed welfare recipients must enroll in the Welfare to Work program. The program offers vocational training, job resources, childcare assistance and counseling. You may be exempt from the program if you are in school full time, a caretaker for a CalWORKs recipient but not receiving benefits, caring for a disabled household member, age 60 or older, pregnant, a single parent of an infant less than 12 months old or have a medical excuse.



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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    I oppose this ruling for a couple of reasons:

    I oppose it for the exact same reason I opposed the Feds telling the State of Arizona that it can’t check peoples immigration status. It is just one more example of the federal government usurping more power from the states and from the people.

    I oppose it because the 1990 lawsuit under consideration in this case was about the provision of mental health care and the mental patients that aren’t getting the kind of care they need will not be the ones that get released and it won’t change their situation. There will still be a shortage of medical facilities and personnel until California builds some new facilities and hires more medical staff.
    The US constitution applies to all states. Since the heart of the release order is the 8th amendment, and the law limiting how prisoners can be released is a federal law, this is clearly not a states rights issue.
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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    Putting aside ages for the moment, the three strikes law still applies. Drug possession is a felony. You get caught a few times and you get life in prison.

    See how stupid the system is?
    yeah, it's nearly as stupid as the person who would violate the same law for a 3rd time.
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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    oh and btw.......

    Considerations
    Excluding exemptions, unemployed welfare recipients must enroll in the Welfare to Work program. The program offers vocational training, job resources, childcare assistance and counseling. You may be exempt from the program if you are in school full time, a caretaker for a CalWORKs recipient but not receiving benefits, caring for a disabled household member, age 60 or older, pregnant, a single parent of an infant less than 12 months old or have a medical excuse.



    Read more: California Welfare Requirements | eHow.com California Welfare Requirements | eHow.com
    Just to add, you also have to have 32 hours a week of work-related activities.
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