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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

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    but it's not. and it never will be
    Why not? I fail to see the problem with that. You're given welfare as long as you're taking classes at the local Community College or something similar, and if you fail your classes or drop out, the money shuts off.
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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    distributing pot to your underage friends is not the same thing as "being caught with a little weed".
    You're playing semantics. Can you show us the cognitive differences between a 19 year old and an 17 year old? I'll give you a clue: there are none. So why is the crime elevated to distribution when somebody a 2 years younger is involved? Why aren't both charged with crimes pertinent to drug transactions if it is in fact distribution? I'll give you a clue, inconsistent people like you make the laws.
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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    I'd rather spend $20K per year to keep them in prison than give them $20K per year in welfare. at least in prison they won't be becoming baby daddy to five different women.
    since when do men get welfare?

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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    Why not? I fail to see the problem with that. You're given welfare as long as you're taking classes at the local Community College or something similar, and if you fail your classes or drop out, the money shuts off.
    I have no problem with it. except that it is a pipe dream. the govt will never put that kind of restriction on giving out welfare.
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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    I have no problem with it. except that it is a pipe dream. the govt will never put that kind of restriction on giving out welfare.
    i don't believe you know very much about how welfare works these days.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    This makes me glad. This just demonstrates how bloated the justice system is. There are too many laws on the books. How many people are in jail for petty drug possession? Too many. We have so many unjust laws that the prisons cannot hold all those who are convicted.

    We're assuming that the people being released are "bad guys" and will cause harm to society. Most of the people who will be released will be petty offenders, and I bet most of them should never have gotten hard time in the first place.

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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    You're playing semantics. Can you show us the cognitive differences between a 19 year old and an 17 year old? I'll give you a clue: there are none. So why is the crime elevated to distribution when somebody a 2 years younger is involved? Why aren't both charged with crimes pertinent to drug transactions if it is in fact distribution? I'll give you a clue, inconsistent people like you make the laws.
    tell me that when you catch a 19 year old ****ing your 17 y/o daughter. but, of course, you'd probably have no problem with that.

    but FWIW, you try to make it sound like they are scooping up random kids off the street and throwing them in prison for having a nickel bag in their pocket. that doesn't happen
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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    i don't believe you know very much about how welfare works these days.
    I know enough to know that they don't make you go to school or get training to get a check.
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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Sale or distribution to minors is a felony under Health and Safety Code 11361.

    If you have a 17 year old friend and you smoke weed with them, that can be charged as distribution to a minor.

    CA NORML Marijuana Laws

    (b) Every person 18 years of age or over who furnishes, administers or gives or offers to furnish, administer, or give, any marijuana to a minor 14 years of age or older shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for a period of three, four, or five years.

    CA NORML Marijuana Laws

    (a) Except as otherwise provided by this section or as authorized by law, every person who transports, imports into this state, sells, furnishes, administers, or gives away, or offers to transport import into this state, sell, furnish, administer, or give away, or attempts to import into this state or transport any marijuana shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for a period of two, three or four years.

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    What were you saying?
    Your example is different than the crackpot statement you made about a 19 year old getting caught with some pot. Even with your revised example you got it wrong. You used the example of a 17 year old when the law says 14.

    Even then, the courts aren’t sending kids to prison for this crap so your examples are disingenuous.

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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    I can understand why people would be worried, but as Deuce said, as long as they are non-violent types it really shouldn't be that much of a problem.
    But will they do it that way? I hope so, but I just question things especially when we're talking about Ca.

    For instance, will they release a non-violent drug/dealer/user who has only served 30 days of 5 yrs over a rapist who has served 10 yrs of a 15 yr sentence?
    I say if they release all non-violent offenders, and put them on parol, I wouldn't have much of a problem.
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