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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Because there are more criminals in prison, perhaps? Learn common sense.
    Ever hear of a causal relationship error fallacy? We've had prisons as a growth industry for a long time. And all that while, we've had crime. It is possible something else is contributing to lower rates today.

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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    what specifically is cruel and unusual about putting a person who breaks the law into prison?
    Nothing, as long as their crime warrants it. When we pack our prisons to the gills (when we really don't need to) so much that inmates cannot get the services they need; that is cruel and unusual. Apdst did not refute that. He simply said they should not have broken the law, as if that makes a difference.
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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    In that case, they're not worth keeping alive.
    Probably not. Yet we have no provision for killing them in our system of laws.

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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    What the hell's that got to do with anything?
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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    Nothing, as long as their crime warrants it. When we pack our prisons to the gills (when we really don't need to) so much that inmates cannot get the services they need; that is cruel and unusual. Apdst did not refute that. He simply said they should not have broken the law, as if that makes a difference.
    and exactly what "services" do they need?
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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    and exactly what "services" do they need?
    This was the discussion:

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
    When the inmates outnumber the staff to such a high ratio, inmate care goes out the barred window. Any inmate taking doctor prescribed medicine will have to wait months for the pill testers to get around to their bottle every time that a refill is needed. Then, after the Rx has been certified, the guards will stick it on a shelf somewhere and say that they can't find it when the prisoner asks "where are my pills".
    Those that happen to require immediate medical attention will be ignored. If your appendix is busting, that's curtains for you, along with many other preventable deaths.

    That is a violation of section 8 of the US Constitution.

    When you have 6 men sharing a 5x10 foot cell it's a violation of section 8.

    When you have prisoners that are starving to death because a bigger inmate is taking their food everyday it's a violation of section 8.

    When you have mentally unstable inmates not being cared for, you guessed it, a violation of section 8.

    When you have guards playing Gitmo, it's a violation.

    Many, many more, such as prisoners getting shanked in the back and being ignored. Many being murdered, maimed, etc.

    The Supremes are right. The violations in any prison system with too few guards, medical staff, and pill testers for the inmate population will result in barbaric medieval conditions every time. The general free population's desire to hear about inmate rape has always puzzled me. It's almost like we think that that should be part of the punishment. Sickening.

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    And, it's unfortunate that the SC looks at it that way. If convicts don't like the way they're being treated, then they shouldn't break the law.
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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    and exactly what "services" do they need?
    Medical care; mental health service (especially). Just a couple of things that must legally be provided regardless of your crime (based on case law).

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