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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    Bull****! I have seen countless posts from you, defending the constitution and what it stands for. Now you are saying that we should straight up ignore a the 8th Amendment, specifically barring cruel and unusual punishment. You don't get to pick and choose with the Constitution. It does not matter if they are scumbags or not. Criminals have rights.
    It's only judicial activism if you don't like it.

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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Here is a look at who is actually locked up in California's prisons:


    That looks like there's plenty of room to cut the prison population without posing any significant threat to society. All those drug crimes would be a good place to start. Jerry Brown should pardon every single person in California's prison who has been convicted of a nonviolent drug crime. The next places to look would be at all of those people in prison for burglary or theft. Seriously? Why are we locking people in cages for property crimes anyway? Make them do community service, make them wear a tracking bracelet (if necessary), and make them pay a fine. If they did something particularly egregious, put them under house arrest or in a halfway home.

    Then we get down to the harder stuff. I'm not sure what "other crimes" entails, but I'm guessing it's stuff like possession of weapons. Some of those people can undoubtedly be released too, especially if their weapon wasn't used in the commission of some other crime. Similarly, "assault and battery" and "sex crimes" are pretty broad categories. Not everyone who falls into those categories is necessarily a dangerous thug, although many are. The state should look to see which of them can be released as well.

    Ultimately, locking someone in a cage is a horrifying abuse of human rights unless you have a damn good reason to do it. Protecting society from vicious criminals is a good reason; protecting society from potheads and shoplifters is not.
    I agree with what you're saying.

    But I'd like to see a breakdown of 'drug crimes'.... Trafficking, especially to minors, is more serious in my book.

    Pot should be legalized already.

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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    There should be greater deterrences. Such as, the death penalty for drug possession and property theft.
    Deterrence doesn't work as well as you think.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Compare the crime rate 100 years ago--when the death penalty was widely and swiftly used--to the crime rate now--when the death penalty is used far less.
    This proves that you have no clue. Crime rates have declined across the board (per-capa) for the last 100 years regardless of what type of anti-crime measures have been used. The reason has been the increase in the standard of living. If you can feed yourself, you aren't likely to commit a crime. Learn history.
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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Didn't one area do that with homeless people once? Can't remember who...
    A bus ticket is cheaper than welfare.

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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Yeah? All I have to say to that is...buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuul****!

    I've never been acosted by the cops. Wanna take a guess as to why that is??
    Because you have a job where you cannot be laid off?
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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    And, it's unfortunate that the SC looks at it that way. If convicts don't like the way they're being treated, then they shouldn't break the law.
    The upper third of the penal population are repeat offenders because they can't make it on the outside. They are the toughest in prison, yet cower at the thought of trying to provide food and shelter for themselves. In the joint they are the big men and get respect from the other inmates. Outside, they are nothing. They will commit an even more horrendous crime whenever they are released to get pen cred and to make sure that they get their 3 hots and a cot. The white supremists that dragged James Earl Byrd behind a pickup in Jasper, Texas fit this mold to a tee. The atrocity of their racist crime probably gave them greater gang status when they returned to their inside womb.
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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    Bull****! I have seen countless posts from you, defending the constitution and what it stands for. Now you are saying that we should straight up ignore a the 8th Amendment, specifically barring cruel and unusual punishment. You don't get to pick and choose with the Constitution. It does not matter if they are scumbags or not. Criminals have rights.
    what specifically is cruel and unusual about putting a person who breaks the law into prison?
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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
    Because you have a job where you cannot be laid off?
    What the hell's that got to do with anything?

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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
    The upper third of the penal population are repeat offenders because they can't make it on the outside. They are the toughest in prison, yet cower at the thought of trying to provide food and shelter for themselves. In the joint they are the big men and get respect from the other inmates. Outside, they are nothing. They will commit an even more horrendous crime whenever they are released to get pen cred and to make sure that they get their 3 hots and a cot.
    In that case, they're not worth keeping alive.


    The white supremists that dragged James Earl Byrd behind a pickup in Jasper, Texas fit this mold to a tee. The atrocity of their racist crime probably gave them greater gang status when they returned to their inside womb.
    You had to make it a race thing, huh? Couldn't resist.

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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    Deterrence doesn't work as well as you think.



    This proves that you have no clue. Crime rates have declined across the board (per-capa) for the last 100 years regardless of what type of anti-crime measures have been used. The reason has been the increase in the standard of living. If you can feed yourself, you aren't likely to commit a crime. Learn history.
    Because there are more criminals in prison, perhaps? Learn common sense.

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