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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Californians are glad you don't live there too. Mostly because we have enough ignorant people who simply don't know the first thing about California but always feel the need to give an opinion like anybody in California gives a **** about what they think. The Californian penal system is overcrowded with small time felons that are thrown in with far more experienced elements. It's an indoctrination system that turns drug users into murderers. Now, do you have a problem with releasing some 19 year old who got caught with a bit of weed? What's the alternative? Keep him in an overcrowded jail with people who can teach him how to be a real criminal? How big government of you.
    19 years old and in prison cause he decided being a law abiding citizen was less important then getting high
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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Voluntary vs involuntary

    You can have a hot woman in a cat suit whip you untill you bleed provided you are volunteering for it ( or paying for it), but you cant whip a person against their will in the US anymore
    no one forced them to become criminals. they volunteered to go to prison when they chose to become felons
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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    19 years old and in prison cause he decided being a law abiding citizen was less important then getting high
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    Yes, truly someone to have pity for.
    Is this really a major crime, gettng high? And is this surprising for a 19 year old? Seems we have more serious crminals to jail than this.

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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Good. California's criminal justice system is truly disgusting, but is merely a more exaggerated version of the problems that plague the criminal justice systems of most states. I am so sick of politicians who want to be "tough on crime" by passing horrible laws like mandatory minimums, three strikes laws, brutally harsh sentences, and of course the war on drugs. It's **** like that which has caused our prisons to be so overcrowded. Locking someone in a cage for years on end should NOT be the default punishment for any crime except the most severe, violent crimes.
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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    19 years old and in prison cause he decided being a law abiding citizen was less important then getting high
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    Yes, truly someone to have pity for.
    So you think that it's worth $20,000 per year of the taxpayer's money to keep a 19-year-old pothead locked in prison where he is sodomized daily for the horrible crime of smoking a joint. How conservative of you.
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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    The reality is, the California prisons are bursting at the seams with non-violent offenders due to these "get tough on crime laws". Anyone working in the system knew this and has seen this coming for the last several years. You simply cannot sustain the number of people that you are sending to prison.....
    Nope. The proportion of non-violent offenders has decreased since these "get tough on crime laws" were passed. Prisons in CA were 40% violent offenders when three strikes was passed in the 1990's - they're now over 50% violent offenders.

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    The good that will come out of this is that it will force the state to actually go to the less costly and more successful alternatives such as drug treatment and other diversionary type programs
    California did that over 10 years ago with Proposition 36, mandating probationary sentences and treatment for non-violent drug offenders.

    The problem isn't that "prisons are bursting at the seams with non-violent offenders" -- the problem is that California is f'ing broke and has been for quite some time.

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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Is this really a major crime, gettng high? And is this surprising for a 19 year old? Seems we have more serious crminals to jail than this.
    Maybe he should have thought about that before he lit up. I'd love to give weed a try, just to see what all the hub bub is about. But I won't till it's legalized, if ever. Why? Because breaking the law... for my own gain is, well ya know... ILLEGAL.


    Why throw speeders into Jail? And that guy that ONLY had two beers, really, aren't there "worse" criminals out there?

    How about that guy that "only" slapped his girlfriend? I mean, it was just a slap, does he really deserve to be in jail?

    How about that kdi that stole a couple of snickers bars, I mean it's not liek the store really lost money...
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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    So you think that it's worth $20,000 per year of the taxpayer's money to keep a 19-year-old pothead locked in prison where he is sodomized daily for the horrible crime of smoking a joint. How conservative of you.
    Who made him light up?

    Was he forced to buy the pot, break the law and get high?
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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    19 years old and in prison cause he decided being a law abiding citizen was less important then getting high
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    Yes, truly someone to have pity for.
    Thank you for proving my point. You're nothing more than an ignorant Texan who has no idea what the California penal system is like but seems to have an opinion on the matter. I'm not even the biggest tax payer defender and even I realize that it doesn't make sense to make somebody a felon on tax payer dollars and ruin their life with correctional bureaucracy simply so you can feel good about being tough on drug users. With that said, the Californian system needs reform and has needed reform for over 30 years. Drug users should be given fines. Not jail time. That overcrowds the system and wastes money. Repeat DUIs should have their licenses revoked and made to pay a fine in order to get it back. That's the reform California needs. Not more Texan style justice.
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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Thank you for proving my point. You're nothing more than an ignorant Texan who has no idea what the California penal system is like but seems to have an opinion on the matter. I'm not even the biggest tax payer defender and even I realize that it doesn't make sense to make somebody a felon on tax payer dollars and ruin their life with correctional bureaucracy simply so you can feel good about being tough on drug users. With that said, the Californian system needs reform and has needed reform for over 30 years. Drug users should be given fines. Not jail time. That overcrowds the system and wastes money. Repeat DUIs should have their licenses revoked and made to pay a fine in order to get it back. That's the reform California needs. Not more Texan style justice.

    I'm sorry you feel I'm ignorant because I think criminals should actually.. be treated as such.

    I say go for it, try the "touchy feely" approach to crime, let us know how that works out for you.
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