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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    At least 75% of the people in our prisons shouldn't be there at all. I suggest the following steps for all states facing prison overcrowding and/or budget shortages:

    1. Eliminate all state drug laws. Although the states can't unilaterally end the war on drugs, if Eric Holder and Barack Obama want to prosecute potheads, they can do it their goddamned selves without the assistance or cooperation of the states.

    2. Cut the sentences for all nonviolent crimes in half.

    3. Nonviolent offenders should never spend a day in prison unless they're a flight risk. Give them house arrest, or a halfway home, or something like that. The purpose of prison is to keep dangerous people away from the rest of society.

    4. Make more of an effort to find jobs for people who have been released from prison. Lower or eliminate the minimum wage for ex-cons so that they are able to find someone to hire them. Additionally, criminal records should be scrubbed after 7ish years from release, with the exception of the most severe crimes (rape, murder, etc).
    How do you purpose handling ultra-violent offenders who commit assault, rape and murder while in prison?

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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

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    Um, the Righties haven't been pushing Obamacare. It wasn't a Right Winger that bailed out GM, either.

    It's the Leftists that have kicked personal responsibility to the curb.
    Oh, the mandate in health care reform was a republian idea, back when they cited personal responsibility. They lost that idea now. And republicans have bailed out ceos often. It wasn't doen for the first time under Obama. Republicans usually just gave them the money without any expectation of being paid back.

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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    That's the most cockamamey I've ever heard. Where's the incentive to not break the law?
    You mean for nonviolent crimes? Well, I wouldn't want to be confined to house arrest, pay a big fine, have to do community service, or be embarrassed with my picture in the paper. Would you?

    What's the point of locking someone in a cage and sodomizing them for, say, stealing a car? They aren't a danger to society.

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    Why do Liberals constantly want to take personal responsibility out of the equation?
    Be sure and let me know if you actually want to discuss the issue rather than reciting moronic talking points.
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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Wherein did I say I support "high taxes" for anything?

    I support giving people a chance, in this case they get THREE Chances to avoid being incarcirated for life. Whose fault Catawaba is it, that these people end in prison?

    The first time? Okay, we can debate. After that... it's on them. Why are liberals so enamored by criminals?
    We are not enamored by criminals, we just do not consider otherwise productive members of society that do drugs to be criminals deserving of a life sentence that we have then pay for through your taxes. The position is both reasonable and fiscally conservative.
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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    The people on here arguing that "you get arrested and therefore guilty" have no idea what they are talking about and have never done any research on the issue and should never serve on a jury.

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    prove it. this is just more of the same shift the blame BS
    Same crime, more time - seattlepi.com
    Chapter Three: Race, Sentencing and the "Tough Crime" Movement

    And host of others. I studied this **** in college and its my job. Its not BS, its a national fact. For instance, a person who smokes crack can receive 25 years for procession compared to 10years (max sentences) for someone who has cocaine

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    How do you purpose handling ultra-violent offenders who commit assault, rape and murder while in prison?
    The same way we do now. Most people in prison aren't there for violent offenses.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    That's the most cockamamey I've ever heard. Where's the incentive to not break the law?

    Why do Liberals constantly want to take personal responsibility out of the equation?
    Deterrence has a mixed bag of working, you do know that right? Zero-tolerance for instance has been more successful than any other type of anti-crime program.

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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Oh, the mandate in health care reform was a republian idea, back when they cited personal responsibility. They lost that idea now. And republicans have bailed out ceos often. It wasn't doen for the first time under Obama. Republicans usually just gave them the money without any expectation of being paid back.
    Oh lawd! I'm sick to death of that talking point, already.

    Who are the cats that want to give out more welfare and unemployment and bail out people who bought houses they can't afford and created another 15 million stamp collectors? Was that the Republicans, too?

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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    You mean for nonviolent crimes? Well, I wouldn't want to be confined to house arrest, pay a big fine, have to do community service, or be embarrassed with my picture in the paper. Would you?
    No, but some folks just ain't as smart as you and I.

    What's the point of locking someone in a cage and sodomizing them for, say, stealing a car? They aren't a danger to society.
    They're a danger to society when they violate my property rights, by say, stealing my car. Public Safety doesn't just concern physical safety.



    Be sure and let me know if you actually want to discuss the issue rather than reciting moronic talking points.
    It was a response to a moronic post.

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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    The people on here arguing that "you get arrested and therefore guilty" have no idea what they are talking about and have never done any research on the issue and should never serve on a jury.



    Same crime, more time - seattlepi.com
    Chapter Three: Race, Sentencing and the "Tough Crime" Movement

    And host of others. I studied this **** in college and its my job. Its not BS, its a national fact. For instance, a person who smokes crack can receive 25 years for procession compared to 10years (max sentences) for someone who has cocaine



    The same way we do now. Most people in prison aren't there for violent offenses.



    Deterrence has a mixed bag of working, you do know that right? Zero-tolerance for instance has been more successful than any other type of anti-crime program.
    There should be greater deterrences. Such as, the death penalty for drug possession and property theft.

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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    There should be greater deterrences. Such as, the death penalty for drug possession and property theft.
    The death penalty is not a deterrent for crime. Never has been and never will be.

    While the murder rate has declined in states both with and without the death penalty, state without the death penalty have - EVERY YEAR and consistently - had a lower murder rate.

    Were your theory that the death penalty were a deterrent to crime true, one would expect that states with the death penalty would have a lower murder rate. It hasn't happened that way.

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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    The death penalty is not a deterrent for crime. Never has been and never will be.

    While the murder rate has declined in states both with and without the death penalty, state without the death penalty have - EVERY YEAR and consistently - had a lower murder rate.

    Compare the crime rate 100 years ago--when the death penalty was widely and swiftly used--to the crime rate now--when the death penalty is used far less.

    Were your theory that the death penalty were a deterrent to crime true, one would expect that states with the death penalty would have a lower murder rate. It hasn't happened that way.
    You're comparing apples to oranges when the only factor that you use to come up with your conclusion, is the frequency of the death peanlty. You're totally leaving out demographics.

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