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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    At least 75% of the people in our prisons shouldn't be there at all. I suggest the following steps for all states facing prison overcrowding and/or budget shortages:

    1. Eliminate all state drug laws. Although the states can't unilaterally end the war on drugs, if Eric Holder and Barack Obama want to prosecute potheads, they can do it their goddamned selves without the assistance or cooperation of the states.

    2. Cut the sentences for all nonviolent crimes in half.

    3. Nonviolent offenders should never spend a day in prison unless they're a flight risk. Give them house arrest, or a halfway home, or something like that. The purpose of prison is to keep dangerous people away from the rest of society.

    4. Make more of an effort to find jobs for people who have been released from prison. Lower or eliminate the minimum wage for ex-cons so that they are able to find someone to hire them. Additionally, criminal records should be scrubbed after 7ish years from release, with the exception of the most severe crimes (rape, murder, etc).
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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The reason the cops don't **** with me, is because I don't do things to cause the cops to **** with me.

    Blacks who are ****ing up and look like they're ****ing up get ****ed with by the cops. Unfortunately, blacks **** up, alot and that is a fact.
    that can't possibly be true. blacks don't **** up any more than anyone else, they are all just victims of institutionalized racism.

    see that mindset is what keeps blacks down and dependent, just the way the libbies like 'em. god forbid that blacks ever take responsibility and improve themselves. holy ****...they might stop voting for democrats.

    blacks are just as capable as everyone else. if people would stop making excuses and telling them they can't excell because of racism, prejudice, etc things would be much better.

    human being tend to live up of down to the expectations placed on them. when you keep the expectations low, and constantly make excuses for failure, you get what you expect.

    That's why I like the Army, it doesn't matter what freakin color you are. If you can do your freakin job you will excell. If you can't do your job then you won't.
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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Blacks are more likely to be stopped without justification and more likely to receive harsher sentences for comparable crimes.
    prove it. this is just more of the same shift the blame BS
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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    prove it. this is just more of the same shift the blame BS
    The results show there is a real issue concerning whether police target blacks and other minorities for traffic stops and whether minorities are treated differently by police, said Richard Lundman, co-author of the study and professor of sociology at Ohio State University.

    “The implications of the patterns we found are troubling, regardless of whether they result from police actions, the perceptions of minority citizens, or perhaps more likely, from both,” Lundman said.

    Driving While Black: Study Shows Minorities More Likely To Question Why Police Stopped Them, How They Were Treated

    Study: Houston police stop blacks more often .

    Study: Houston police stop blacks more often | khou.com Houston

    Blacks and Latinos were nine times as likely as whites to be stopped by the police in New York City in 2009, but, once stopped, were no more likely to be arrested.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/13/nyregion/13frisk.html

    Just the first few of a search.

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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    The results show there is a real issue concerning whether police target blacks and other minorities for traffic stops and whether minorities are treated differently by police, said Richard Lundman, co-author of the study and professor of sociology at Ohio State University.

    “The implications of the patterns we found are troubling, regardless of whether they result from police actions, the perceptions of minority citizens, or perhaps more likely, from both,” Lundman said.

    Driving While Black: Study Shows Minorities More Likely To Question Why Police Stopped Them, How They Were Treated

    Study: Houston police stop blacks more often .

    Study: Houston police stop blacks more often | khou.com Houston

    Blacks and Latinos were nine times as likely as whites to be stopped by the police in New York City in 2009, but, once stopped, were no more likely to be arrested.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/13/nyregion/13frisk.html

    Just the first few of a search.
    bolded: just because minorities have the perception that they are stopped more often or with no justification doesn't make it so. I'm sure Rodney King felt like he wasn't doing anything wrong either

    bolded&italics: I'm sure the fact that even though blacks make up 25% of the pop in NYC they are responsible for 64% of the murders has nothing to do with why they get stopped more often.
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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    bolded: just because minorities have the perception that they are stopped more often or with no justification doesn't make it so. I'm sure Rodney King felt like he wasn't doing anything wrong either

    bolded&italics: I'm sure the fact that even though blacks make up 25% of the pop in NYC they are responsible for 64% of the murders has nothing to do with why they get stopped more often.
    Not sure why so many use this tactic. The fact is you have 3 articles. Not only is there the perception, but also factly it is show they are stopped more. And rather arrested or not in NYC, they are stopped more. Stopping anyone without cause can't really be justified.

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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    At least 75% of the people in our prisons shouldn't be there at all. I suggest the following steps for all states facing prison overcrowding and/or budget shortages:

    1. Eliminate all state drug laws. Although the states can't unilaterally end the war on drugs, if Eric Holder and Barack Obama want to prosecute potheads, they can do it their goddamned selves without the assistance or cooperation of the states.

    2. Cut the sentences for all nonviolent crimes in half.

    3. Nonviolent offenders should never spend a day in prison unless they're a flight risk. Give them house arrest, or a halfway home, or something like that. The purpose of prison is to keep dangerous people away from the rest of society.

    4. Make more of an effort to find jobs for people who have been released from prison. Lower or eliminate the minimum wage for ex-cons so that they are able to find someone to hire them. Additionally, criminal records should be scrubbed after 7ish years from release, with the exception of the most severe crimes (rape, murder, etc).
    That's the most cockamamey I've ever heard. Where's the incentive to not break the law?

    Why do Liberals constantly want to take personal responsibility out of the equation?

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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Not sure why so many use this tactic. The fact is you have 3 articles. Not only is there the perception, but also factly it is show they are stopped more. And rather arrested or not in NYC, they are stopped more. Stopping anyone without cause can't really be justified.
    And, you know what? If they don't have any illegal inside their vehicle, they don't have anything to worry about. DUH!!!!

    Instead of complaining about being stopped, we should be complaining about the assholes that created the atmosphere that causes us to be stopped. But, that brings us back around to the whole personal responsibility thing.
    Last edited by apdst; 05-24-11 at 05:42 PM.

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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    And, you know what? If they don't have any illegal inside their vehicle, they don't have anything to worry about. DUH!!!!
    I'm sorry, but I personally wouldn't like being stopped all the time. Stop me if I do something; otherwise, don't. Fish at the lake.

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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    That's the most cockamamey I've ever heard. Where's the incentive to not break the law?

    Why do Liberals constantly want to take personal responsibility out of the equation?
    I do wish conservatives believed in personal respsonsibility, but too often they make excuses for people being irresponsible (presidents, unisured, etc.)

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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