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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    The penalty should fit the crime and I think our penalties are pretty harsh. And we do have a very large incarceration rate per capita.
    You mean, like, the highest in the world?

    300 million people, 25% of our adult population has a criminal record, and 2.1 million currently in jail or prison. 65 million adults in America have a criminal record.

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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    I oppose this ruling for a couple of reasons:

    I oppose it for the exact same reason I opposed the Feds telling the State of Arizona that it canít check peoples immigration status. It is just one more example of the federal government usurping more power from the states and from the people.

    I oppose it because the 1990 lawsuit under consideration in this case was about the provision of mental health care and the mental patients that arenít getting the kind of care they need will not be the ones that get released and it wonít change their situation. There will still be a shortage of medical facilities and personnel until California builds some new facilities and hires more medical staff.

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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    You have to have an understanding of California law to really understand the issue. California was one of the first states to implement the new "Get super tough on crime" measures. Its all of political pandering to the electorate. People want to hear that politicians are tough on crime and will vote for pretty much every "get tough on crime" initiative that goes on the ballot. California, like much of the country, has gone off the deep end at sending people to prison. Look at the dramatic increase in California prison population over the last decade. The criminal justice system is a huge money-making ploy for those involved in it...and its much easier to sell "send them to jail" to the public than it is "treatment".....even when there are less expensive and more successful alternatives.

    The reality is, the California prisons are bursting at the seams with non-violent offenders due to these "get tough on crime laws". Anyone working in the system knew this and has seen this coming for the last several years. You simply cannot sustain the number of people that you are sending to prison.....

    As goes California....so goes the country. You will see similar situations rising in states all over the country as their prisons fill up as a result of these feel good measures.

    The good that will come out of this is that it will force the state to actually go to the less costly and more successful alternatives such as drug treatment and other diversionary type programs....at least until the next politically pandering iniative comes along.
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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    I oppose this ruling for a couple of reasons:

    I oppose it for the exact same reason I opposed the Feds telling the State of Arizona that it can’t check peoples immigration status. It is just one more example of the federal government usurping more power from the states and from the people.

    I oppose it because the 1990 lawsuit under consideration in this case was about the provision of mental health care and the mental patients that aren’t getting the kind of care they need will not be the ones that get released and it won’t change their situation. There will still be a shortage of medical facilities and personnel until California builds some new facilities and hires more medical staff.
    You know how in Libya, Iraq, Kuwait, and soon to be Syria we went in and took out the regime that abused its citizens? We stated that people have a right to live in an environment that is at least livable. No gov't has a right to kill its own citizens, whether through bullets or bars. Even inmates, this might shock some, have a right to live in an environment that is safe. Once inmates start dying because of living conditions, it is time for the gov't to step in and take charge. No state has a right to kill inmates through horrible and awful living environments.

    I fully support this and hope it catches on in other states as well. The cost of keeping an inmate incarcerated is almost 30,000 a year. You want to save money? Release some of these non-violent offenders. Not to mention, that puts more people to work, paying taxes, and not sucking them up as a number in a cell.
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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    The sad thing is, what else can we do? We simply do not have room for these people, and it's not like we haven't built a lot of prisons. Do you have a better idea?
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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    As I said, it depends on who we're speaking of. We imprison too many people, and if we allow those who really shouldn't be in prison in the first place out, I don't see a problem. If we release violent criminals, then there is reason for concern.

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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Justice Anthony M. Kennedy, speaking for the majority, said California's prisons had "fallen short of minimum constitutional requirements" because of overcrowding. As many as 200 prisoners may live in gymnasium, he said, and as many as 54 prisoners share a single toilet.
    sounds like standard US Army living conditions.
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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    I'm so glad I don't live in California right now...
    California has some serious repeat offenders behind bars, and their prisons are truly dangerous. Now, that danger will be released onto the street.

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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    sounds like standard US Army living conditions.
    Voluntary vs involuntary

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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Californians are glad you don't live there too. Mostly because we have enough ignorant people who simply don't know the first thing about California but always feel the need to give an opinion like anybody in California gives a **** about what they think. The Californian penal system is overcrowded with small time felons that are thrown in with far more experienced elements. It's an indoctrination system that turns drug users into murderers. Now, do you have a problem with releasing some 19 year old who got caught with a bit of weed? What's the alternative? Keep him in an overcrowded jail with people who can teach him how to be a real criminal? How big government of you.

    We have a system where 10% of the inmate population consists of people convicted of drug possession. Another 10,000 inmate are simply there for carrying a weapon DUIs. Prisons are over extended by 185% and Scalia is deciding whether or not the system should alleviate short-staffing, unsanitary conditions and a decay in basic human decency? This is a good ruling for both California tax payers who pay to keep meth smokers in jail and the system which is overburdened by people who shouldn't even be there. If Texans don't like it they can execute a few retards. Maybe that'll piss off some liberals in Berkley or something.
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