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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    This is exactly what was being challenged. Not all the particular forms of medical treatment but “access” to medical treatment.

    BTW, I have done more than read the court ruling; I have followed this case for a very long time. While it is true that this was being challenged under the Prison Litigation Reform Act, the case that was given standing was Coleman v. Brown where the District Court found that prisoners with serious mental illness do not receive minimal, adequate care in CA.

    If you pointed out where my assertions aren’t applicable in this case, that would have been a valid argument but to summarily dismiss it on the inaccurate assumption that I haven’t read the ruling is in fact a failure on your part to know the facts of which you speak.
    Let me further qualify my comments with the following.

    California goes overboard with every bleeding heart “they have rights” movement that comes along except for those that are explicitly clear in the Constitution (like the 2nd Amendment) so the medical care for each inmate is astronomically expensive and the number of inmates seeking these free medical treatments clogs the system to a near standstill. I gave you some clear examples of why it costs so stinking much to provide medical care to CA inmates.

    Building new prisons with medical facilities and hiring more medical staff costs a lot of money but California is by far the most wasteful state in the union because of the kinds of examples I listed above so they are tied together.

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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Not necessarily. I've had many cases in which first-time offenders go to prison....its not all that uncommon
    1st timers that go to prison usually aren't going because they made a "stupid mistake". that is the point
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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    1st timers that go to prison usually aren't going because they made a "stupid mistake". that is the point
    Stupid mistakes is subjective. Lets say people go to prison for having too much pot on them and shop lifting, unless they are middle class white kids.

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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    Stupid mistakes is subjective. Lets say people go to prison for having too much pot on them and shop lifting, unless they are middle class white kids.
    That sounded racist to me.

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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    At least California cares about the Constitutional rights of its prisoners. The situation is a lot worse in other states and yet the courts there will likely do nothing. In the last two states I have lived in they have tried privatizing prisons and that has been a disaster since guards are underpaid and under trained and incidents and escapes occur at vastly higher rates in those private institutions.

    When are people going to catch on that the war on drugs is a failure? When people are dying in mass in prisons or courts are releasing violent and sexual offenders by the thousands because of the mandatory sentences on drug offenders?
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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    That sounded racist to me.
    Its a fact.

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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Lmao - considering I've advocated against the use of stupid laws that make sex offenders out of 19 year olds sleeping with 17 year olds, I don't really see where you're coming from. Why don't you do us both a favor, pick up a book on California's penal system. When you learn a little bit, get back to us. See, unlike you? I'm pretty consistent in my beliefs. I don't believe that the government should send 19 year olds to jail for sleeping with somebody 2 years younger than them. I also don't believe in the government making criminals out of 19 year old kids with some pot on them or smoking with somebody who is 17. It must hurt you badly that you're called inconsistent.
    I have less issue with a 17/19 split than say, a 13/15 split. For me, it would depend on the maturity level of my daughter and the character of the young man...FWIW
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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    What happened, is Castro governor of California now?
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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    tell me that when you catch a 19 year old ****ing your 17 y/o daughter. but, of course, you'd probably have no problem with that.

    but FWIW, you try to make it sound like they are scooping up random kids off the street and throwing them in prison for having a nickel bag in their pocket. that doesn't happen
    I'm not sure Hatuey is old enough to have a teenage child.
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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    Its a fact.
    I wasn't asking you to admit to being a racist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    It would seem that the constitution is just a god damn piece of paper, to be trotted out when expedient.

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