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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    I wonder how many pot offender they can release to make up this number.

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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    It does seems that Arpaio's chain gangs, and tent cities are doing better than regular prisons, don't you think? Have there been more successful ways to deal with crime? If so, why aren't we modeling programs after them? Liberals want to cuddle criminals, and that doesn't work.
    "Liberals want to cuddle criminals".....geez.....cut out the cheap shot BS talking points. That is...if you seriously want to discuss the issue and if you really want to find a solution. The reality Barb is that big government/big brother build more prisons mentality doesn't work....what it does is line the pockets of those in the criminal justice cycle. There is big money to be had in the prison industry...and it is easy to sell to an electorate that buys into the "Liberals want to cuddle criminals....get tough on crime crowd". Puttling drug users and non-violent offenders in prison does not make society any safer....at best, it is a false sense of security.

    There is a great man who works with gangs in Los Angeles...Father Greg Boyle, who has spent his life helping young men/women get out of the gangs and become productive members of society. He founded Homeboy industries. The wise man that he is....once said...."Give me 1000 fair paying jobs.....and I'll take 1000 gang members off the streets of Los Angeles."

    Time and again....studies show that every dollar spent on prevention programs and rehabilitation saves a lot more in incarceration down the road...but the public doesn't want to fund those programs...and so we spend millions building more prisons.

    Ever hear the saying...""Pennywise/pound foolish" or "an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure". We are not working smartly in this country and we are paying the price for it...and this is exactly what is coming to fruition in California and soon across the rest of the country.
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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Not necessarily to this not solving the health care problem. It forces the state to look at and select solutions, probably some combination of more health care providers, fewer prisoners, and sending some prisoners out of state to states without the overcrowding.
    Here is the problem. CA spends an annual average of $14,000 per inmate on healthcare. They get joint replacements, organ transplants, dental, vision, psychiatric and even transgender hormone shots with full blown sex change operations on the way.

    I have a problem with “cruel and unusual punishment” being interpolated to cover a lot of the crap CA is doing. The Fed should have thrown this particular case out because of the mental therapy that CA will now be providing.

    It is getting a bit insane (pun intended) here in CA and SCOTUS just made things astronomically worse.

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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    Here is the problem. CA spends an annual average of $14,000 per inmate on healthcare. They get joint replacements, organ transplants, dental, vision, psychiatric and even transgender hormone shots with full blown sex change operations on the way.

    I have a problem with “cruel and unusual punishment” being interpolated to cover a lot of the crap CA is doing. The Fed should have thrown this particular case out because of the mental therapy that CA will now be providing.

    It is getting a bit insane (pun intended) here in CA and SCOTUS just made things astronomically worse.
    That was not part of the case in this instance. You could have a point if that was what was being challenged in this case, but it absolutely is not. What was challenged in this case was the application of the Prison Litigation Reform Act.

    Edit: this is why people should read about actual court rulings...90 % of the posts in this thread have exactly jack **** to do with the ruling.
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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    I wonder how many pot offender they can release to make up this number.
    Exactly, that and other minor violations should not include jail time. California, as well as the rest of the Nation, needs to rethink sentencing for minor non-violent crimes, or decriminalize many altogether.
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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Redress, it's kinda funny watching you try to keep this train wreck of a thread on the rails.
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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I would say white collar type crimes like embezzlement, but let's face it those people don't go to prison.
    Yes they do.

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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Since the issue in this case has to do with access to health care, what exactly is such a program going to do to solve that?
    Maybe if less was spent on other things like buildings and electricty, they could afford healthcare.
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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    That was not part of the case in this instance. You could have a point if that was what was being challenged in this case, but it absolutely is not. What was challenged in this case was the application of the Prison Litigation Reform Act.

    Edit: this is why people should read about actual court rulings...90 % of the posts in this thread have exactly jack **** to do with the ruling.
    This is exactly what was being challenged. Not all the particular forms of medical treatment but “access” to medical treatment.

    BTW, I have done more than read the court ruling; I have followed this case for a very long time. While it is true that this was being challenged under the Prison Litigation Reform Act, the case that was given standing was Coleman v. Brown where the District Court found that prisoners with serious mental illness do not receive minimal, adequate care in CA.

    If you pointed out where my assertions aren’t applicable in this case, that would have been a valid argument but to summarily dismiss it on the inaccurate assumption that I haven’t read the ruling is in fact a failure on your part to know the facts of which you speak.

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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Who are they throwing out then? We have one of the highest incarceration rates of all the developed countries; that in and of itself should be a sign of what our government does. Merely throwing some people out isn't enough to make me run for the hills since many of whom we imprison probably shouldn't have been sent to prison in the first place.
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