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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    Are you saying “Not necessarily.” to a limitation on what is provided or concerning the effectiveness of the ordered release?
    Not necessarily to this not solving the health care problem. It forces the state to look at and select solutions, probably some combination of more health care providers, fewer prisoners, and sending some prisoners out of state to states without the overcrowding.
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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    please point to where I said anything racist. just because you want it to be, doesn't make it so. did you ever see the movie "baby mama"? everyone involved was white.

    your lame, pathetic, bleatings only prove one thing. people who go looking for racism will always find it, whether it actually exists or not.
    Ya know, I don't know if it WAS racist, but when I read the post in question, my first response was, "Damn he's gonna get flamed for being a racist".
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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    My old company used to hire recently released offenders through a program started by the city of Dallas. The first one quit and went back to dealing drugs because he couldn't afford to live in a loft in downtown Dallas on 35k/year. The second one tested dirty for drugs twice in 6 months. The third one was discplined for tardiness (a write-up and a conference with his manager and the HR coordinator) and lost control, trashed the HR coordinators office, and punched a hole in the wall. The fourth did really great for the first six months and we thought we'd finally hit the jackpot. Then we found out he was stealing product and selling it online or to metal scrap dealers for cash. He was the last ex-con we hired.

    On the other hand, my dad hired an ex-con about 4 months out of his jail sentence. The guy was reliable, always on time, and financial responsible. After three years of working with my dad he bought a new house and a new car. He's getting married next Fall.

    So some of 'em probably COULD do well on the outside if given a chance...then there are those who are given a chance and can't shake the bad behavior. They give the rest a bad name.
    The person on drugs likely didn't get proper drug counseling and, IMO, shouldn't of been fired for being on drugs.
    The person who went back to dealing drugs is probably in the 16% category
    The guy who went nuts had anger issues and probably wasn't in proper counseling for it
    The guy who was stealing was also probably in that 16% category.

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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    The person on drugs likely didn't get proper drug counseling and, IMO, shouldn't of been fired for being on drugs.
    The person who went back to dealing drugs is probably in the 16% category
    The guy who went nuts had anger issues and probably wasn't in proper counseling for it
    The guy who was stealing was also probably in that 16% category.
    Our company's policy was to offer counseling on the first positive drug test. The guy in question went for three weeks, then quit. We decided to give him another shot, tested him again a few months later and he came up dirty. He was given chances and access to counseling.
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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    The person on drugs likely didn't get proper drug counseling and, IMO, shouldn't of been fired for being on drugs.
    The person who went back to dealing drugs is probably in the 16% category
    The guy who went nuts had anger issues and probably wasn't in proper counseling for it
    The guy who was stealing was also probably in that 16% category.
    I'd also like to know where you're getting 16% from.
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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Coming to a city near you! California relocation program will give them bus tickets and twenty dollars, and send them to other states.
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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by shintao View Post
    Coming to a city near you! California relocation program will give them bus tickets and twenty dollars, and send them to other states.
    Didn't one area do that with homeless people once? Can't remember who...
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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Didn't one area do that with homeless people once? Can't remember who...
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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    My old company used to hire recently released offenders through a program started by the city of Dallas. The first one quit and went back to dealing drugs because he couldn't afford to live in a loft in downtown Dallas on 35k/year. The second one tested dirty for drugs twice in 6 months. The third one was discplined for tardiness (a write-up and a conference with his manager and the HR coordinator) and lost control, trashed the HR coordinators office, and punched a hole in the wall. The fourth did really great for the first six months and we thought we'd finally hit the jackpot. Then we found out he was stealing product and selling it online or to metal scrap dealers for cash. He was the last ex-con we hired.

    On the other hand, my dad hired an ex-con about 4 months out of his jail sentence. The guy was reliable, always on time, and financial responsible. After three years of working with my dad he bought a new house and a new car. He's getting married next Fall.

    So some of 'em probably COULD do well on the outside if given a chance...then there are those who are given a chance and can't shake the bad behavior. They give the rest a bad name.
    A distressing number of release programs seem designed to fail. As if making programs harder will increase the likelihood the Inmate will successfully complete the program.
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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    tell me that when you catch a 19 year old ****ing your 17 y/o daughter. but, of course, you'd probably have no problem with that.
    Lmao - considering I've advocated against the use of stupid laws that make sex offenders out of 19 year olds sleeping with 17 year olds, I don't really see where you're coming from. Why don't you do us both a favor, pick up a book on California's penal system. When you learn a little bit, get back to us. See, unlike you? I'm pretty consistent in my beliefs. I don't believe that the government should send 19 year olds to jail for sleeping with somebody 2 years younger than them. I also don't believe in the government making criminals out of 19 year old kids with some pot on them or smoking with somebody who is 17. It must hurt you badly that you're called inconsistent.
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