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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Not necessarily. In fact one of the solutions that the state can undertake to avoid releasing prisoners(note that the release is over a 2 year period) is to increase the number of health care providers. In fact, there are a number of remedies that the state can, and has in fact started to do, to avoid the release.
    Are you saying “Not necessarily.” to a limitation on what is provided or concerning the effectiveness of the ordered release?

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    It would seem that the constitution is just a god damn piece of paper, to be trotted out when expedient.

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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Beautiful example of the difference between crimes with real or potential victims and victimless crimes.

    Victimless means you're only in troyble with the GOVERNMENT for hurting YOURSELF.

    Authoritarian by definition.

    Crimes of morality are immoral.
    I don’t think it’s quite that simple but generally, yeah, I agree.

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    It would seem that the constitution is just a god damn piece of paper, to be trotted out when expedient.

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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    If it was just "smoking an herb" I'd agree with you.

    But it's not. And you know it, but you won't be honest cause you are a pro-drug type.
    Here's a little saying we made up back in my druggie days:

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    Any questions?

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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I love how some conservatives constantly protest big government, wasteful spending, and any government programs that actually help people. But if you catch someone committing some minor crime? No amount of government spending is too high to lock them up in a cage for years!

    Apparently, cost-benefit analysis just goes right out the window when the subject is crime and punishment.
    No they're just mouthpieces for the prison guards union!
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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    How likely is it that "non-violent offenders", having been pushed into a system loaded with violent offenders, will come out upon release and be healthy, conscious, productive members of society? What options will they have for work in California when they're released? Is the state going to give them any sort of financial incentive when they're released? What happens if they commit another crime shortly after release? And, like a few have said, what sort of message does it send when we're arbitrarily releasing "minor offenders" because of overcrowding?
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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Guess it depends on how you define "success". You can lock every person up and turn us all into a big brother police state and stop a lot of crime. Success?
    It does seems that Arpaio's chain gangs, and tent cities are doing better than regular prisons, don't you think? Have there been more successful ways to deal with crime? If so, why aren't we modeling programs after them? Liberals want to cuddle criminals, and that doesn't work.
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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    It does seems that Arpaio's chain gangs, and tent cities are doing better than regular prisons, don't you think? Have there been more successful ways to deal with crime? If so, why aren't we modeling programs after them? Liberals want to cuddle criminals, and that doesn't work.
    The most successful way to deal with crime is to no subjugate ex-cons to second class citizen status after imprisonment. If a person is able to find a job after being released from prison, and actually gets drug counseling (if needed) the likelihood of re-offending is virtually zero. As research has shown, only about 16% of the criminal population is non-redeemable.

    While everyone knows this is the case, its not done because its expensive and criminal have stigma.

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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    The most successful way to deal with crime is to no subjugate ex-cons to second class citizen status after imprisonment. If a person is able to find a job after being released from prison, and actually gets drug counseling (if needed) the likelihood of re-offending is virtually zero. As research has shown, only about 16% of the criminal population is non-redeemable.
    My old company used to hire recently released offenders through a program started by the city of Dallas. The first one quit and went back to dealing drugs because he couldn't afford to live in a loft in downtown Dallas on 35k/year. The second one tested dirty for drugs twice in 6 months. The third one was discplined for tardiness (a write-up and a conference with his manager and the HR coordinator) and lost control, trashed the HR coordinators office, and punched a hole in the wall. The fourth did really great for the first six months and we thought we'd finally hit the jackpot. Then we found out he was stealing product and selling it online or to metal scrap dealers for cash. He was the last ex-con we hired.

    On the other hand, my dad hired an ex-con about 4 months out of his jail sentence. The guy was reliable, always on time, and financial responsible. After three years of working with my dad he bought a new house and a new car. He's getting married next Fall.

    So some of 'em probably COULD do well on the outside if given a chance...then there are those who are given a chance and can't shake the bad behavior. They give the rest a bad name.
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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    The alternative would seem to be raising taxes to build more prisons or not requiring jail time for many minor offenses, is that what you are advocating?
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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    It does seems that Arpaio's chain gangs, and tent cities are doing better than regular prisons, don't you think? Have there been more successful ways to deal with crime? If so, why aren't we modeling programs after them? Liberals want to cuddle criminals, and that doesn't work.
    Since the issue in this case has to do with access to health care, what exactly is such a program going to do to solve that?
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