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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    Seems successful.
    Guess it depends on how you define "success". You can lock every person up and turn us all into a big brother police state and stop a lot of crime. Success?
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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    True....but people do go to prison here in California for sales of weed and cultivation....both of which is silly. I understand....selling to kids should be treated more seriously, but sales or cultivation of weed for adults isn't worth prison.

    People go to prison here for possession of cocaine and other drugs. Not everyone in California qualifies for prop 36 program...there are a lot of restrictions that keep a lot of people out of the program.

    Judges and prosecutors are quick to throw people in prison here in Los Angeles, because it makes them look tough and wins them votes. They aren't interested in correcting the problem and finding solutions.
    I can’t really disagree with this.

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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    As long as its the non-violent drug use type criminals and not the murderers and rapists...

    I would say white collar type crimes like embezzlement, but let's face it those people don't go to prison.
    That's what it was a couple of years ago when they paroled a bunch of people early.

    Low level drug and non-violent first offender types (many of whom were supporting drug habits).
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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    I canít disagree with anything you said except to say that I think the court got it wrong because the remedy for the case brought before them does nothing to resolve the problem because the heath care facilities will remain under funded and facilitated even after this ruling.

    I agree that the states owe basic healthcare to prisoners but there should be a limit to what is required to be provided.
    Not necessarily. In fact one of the solutions that the state can undertake to avoid releasing prisoners(note that the release is over a 2 year period) is to increase the number of health care providers. In fact, there are a number of remedies that the state can, and has in fact started to do, to avoid the release.
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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    that 20 year old who does something stupid is not going to prison for a 1st time offense. that's the part you bleeding heart libs refuse to get. by the time someone ends up in prison, they have already been given several chances.
    Do you have any source on this? Because it quite often doesn't work like that.

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    probably on all the welfare recipients I see sitting on their front steps in the housing projects as I drive to and from work every day. none of them appear to be in any kind of welfare to work program. but, of course, they all could possibly qualify for one of the dozens of exemptions to that requirement
    I have no idea how they do it in Alabama, but seeing what a low income state it is, I wouldn't be surprised if the state just doesn't have money for work programs. But do you at least accept that you were wrong when you said welfare doesn't work like that?
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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    probably on all the welfare recipients I see sitting on their front steps in the housing projects as I drive to and from work every day. none of them appear to be in any kind of welfare to work program. but, of course, they all could possibly qualify for one of the dozens of exemptions to that requirement
    that's just dumb, oscar. men don't get welfare unless they have custody of kids. admit you don't know what know you're talking about.

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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    that's just dumb, oscar. men don't get welfare unless they have custody of kids. admit you don't know what know you're talking about.
    Why don't men get welfare?
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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    19 years old and in prison cause he decided being a law abiding citizen was less important then getting high
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    Yes, truly someone to have pity for.
    Yeah! And you should consider it an honor to pay upwards of $30,000 a year to show that kid what happens when he doesn't do as the government says!

    Or better yet, let's allow for profit businesses to utilize that criminal labor in more for-profit prisons. More taxpayer money turned into profits! More photo ops for conservative politicians in tent-city jails with pink jumpsuits and outdated baloney. Full of dumbass first offender druggie kids.

    Yay!
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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Kandahar's Economist links are very informative (and rage-inducing), and I suggest everyone who has not already, to read them.

    Indeed, our criminal system is overcomplicated and arbitrary. Look at Al Capone. He was responsible for a great deal of violence, but they were only able to get him on tax evasion. This is often presented as a neat little trick by the Justice Department, but when you think about, how many laws and regulations do we break every day without knowing? Virtually everyone has committed a crime recently, often without knowing it. We need to simplify our laws to make it obvious what the law is, reduce sentencing for non-violent offenders, and make legal positions unelected and remove mandatory sentencing laws to make our judiciary more independent.
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    Re: Supreme Court orders California to release tens of thousands of prison inmates

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Maybe he should have thought about that before he lit up. I'd love to give weed a try, just to see what all the hub bub is about. But I won't till it's legalized, if ever. Why? Because breaking the law... for my own gain is, well ya know... ILLEGAL.


    Why throw speeders into Jail? And that guy that ONLY had two beers, really, aren't there "worse" criminals out there?

    How about that guy that "only" slapped his girlfriend? I mean, it was just a slap, does he really deserve to be in jail?

    How about that kdi that stole a couple of snickers bars, I mean it's not liek the store really lost money...
    Beautiful example of the difference between crimes with real or potential victims and victimless crimes.

    Victimless means you're only in troyble with the GOVERNMENT for hurting YOURSELF.

    Authoritarian by definition.

    Crimes of morality are immoral.
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