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Cherry Hill student's challenge to Tea Party champion Michele Bachmann prompts 'threa

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Is suggesting there is no racists in the tea party ridiculous? Absolutely. Then again, so is suggesting Tea Party Rallies are akin to KKK rallies.

Thank you. Because every time somebody speaks in absolutes, I can't believe them. The truth is somewhere in the middle. So if a flying monkey starts screeching at me about how wrong I am while they commence flinging poo? I have to figure I struck a nerve. And I can't have struck a nerve if there is not truth therein.
 
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That said, I think its rather ridiculous to criticize people for ignorance on the tea party and any racist elements and then turn around and make an ignorant and completely unverifiable claim that it's a "fact" there are more Racists in the democratic party than in the Republican Party and Tea Party combined. Basing this on what?

Al Sharpton
Jesse Jackson
Louis Farrakhan and the entire Nation of Islam
Black Panthers
Malik Zulu Shabazz and the New Black Panthers
Melvin Watt and the CBC

Shall I go on?
 
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Al Sharpton
Jesse Jackson
Louis Farrakhan and the entire Nation of Islam
Black Panthers
Malik Zulu Shabazz and the New Black Panthers
Melvin Watt and the CBC

Shall I go on?

The Black Liberation Army
The Weather Underground
The Republic of New Afrika

I say yes, let's go on.
 
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The Black Liberation Army
The Weather Underground
The Republic of New Afrika

I say yes, let's go on.

The Weather Underground were terrorists, not racists.
 
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Thank you. Because every time somebody speaks in absolutes, I can't believe them. The truth is somewhere in the middle. So if a flying monkey starts screeching at me about how wrong I am while they commence flinging poo? I have to figure I struck a nerve. And I can't have struck a nerve if there is not truth therein.

The worst racists in the United States are, of course, the Democrats, Anyone who supports the Democrat Party is sympathetic to racists and racist policies.

Is that "striking a nerve"?

Or is it just as ridiculous as claiming Tea Party members are "racist"?
 
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The Weather Underground were terrorists, not racists.

Whether, or not they were racists is debatable, IMO; however they most certainly are Left Wing extremist.
 
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Al Sharpton
Jesse Jackson
Louis Farrakhan and the entire Nation of Islam
Black Panthers
Malik Zulu Shabazz and the New Black Panthers
Melvin Watt and the CBC

Shall I go on?

First, I think Sharpton, and to a lesser extent Jackson, fall into that wishy washy realm regarding whether race baiting is necessarily racist.

Second. Jerry Farlwell. If you're going to put Sharpton, Limbaugh could be argued in a similar way. Council of Conservative Citizens. The KKK. American Third Position. All are right leaning

Third. Well known Organization != number. You didn't say there were more well known racist organizations, or more well known racist spokes people. You said there were more racists, period.

Fourth. Really, if you want to get into this argument, we could always branch it off into other ism's and bigotry. Irrational hate is irrational hate. That said, the pissing match grows a bit off topic. But its ridiculous to suggest that someone's ignorant for suggesting the Tea Party is racist while turning around and declaring it a fact that there are more Democratic leaning racists then Republican ones and then throw out anecdotal information as somehow "proving" that "fact".
 
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Al Sharpton
Jesse Jackson
Louis Farrakhan and the entire Nation of Islam
Black Panthers
Malik Zulu Shabazz and the New Black Panthers
Melvin Watt and the CBC

Shall I go on?

No giving 6 names proves your point. There are definitely more Democratic racists than Republicans.:roll::roll:

BTW - Al Sharpton ran as a Dem, but how to qualify the others as Dem, Liberals, Progressives, or even mainstream anything??
 
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There are definitely more Democratic racists than Republicans.:roll::roll:

The history of the Democratic Party is riddled with racism, right up to and including the late Senator Robert Byrd, and their attacks on Republicans continues to this day.

Ku Klux Klan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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There nothing to be blinded by Kali. I've been to two Tea Party events and I saw no racism whatsoever. I live in the deep south. If there was a racism problem with the Tea Party, it would show up here of all places wouldn't it? I've seen a video of a racist plant at a Tea Party event who was exposed. I've also seen a video of Tea Party supporters calling out a racist to his face who showed up at an event. You've provided zero evidence of racism at a Tea Party that actually came from Tea Party supporters.

There are racists that are part of the Tea Party, but that number is so small that it's not even a mole hill and yet the far left media is trying to make a mountain out of it. There are more racists involved with the Democratic Party than there are the Republican Party and Tea Party combined. But that never gets mentioned by you and your ilk does it? You don't see me running around pointing out that fact because I know it's an insignificant number and it doesn't encompass the vast majority of what liberals/democrats believe. What you fail to grasp is that the Tea Party is a movement about fiscal responsibility, not about moral or social issues. This has been explained to you before. You may think you have an "intelligent mind", but in fact it is so far closed that you can't even see the truth anymore - even when it's right in front of your face. Show me a link between the "Grand Wizard of the KKK" and the Tea Party movement and I'll buy you a 1-year Platinum donation to this site.

To deny that racism exists is to be in either to be in total denial or totally blind to reality, I live in NJ and get these chain e-mails from friends and relatives describing President Obama as a monkey, in a recent trip to the South, NC I was surprised by the open arrogance and hositility they still exhibited towards the north, I am white male I can imagine how it must feel to be a black person.

How Racist is America and How Is This Used and Perpetuated? - democracycellproject

Here are some of the findings:

The poll sampled 2777 white Americans and was done by AP-Yahoo News, conducted with Stanford University. One third of white Democrats harbored negative views toward blacks and 40% had at least a partially negtive view (harbored at least one presented negative). This could mean 2-1/2 percentage points who might not vote for Obama, according to the analysis, enough to swing a close race away from him. They also used a model to predict that Obama's support would be at least 6% higher if not for the racism.

53% of registered republicans do not believe that President Obama was born in the USA and another 27% state that they are not sure, Here is my conclusion either they have no faith in the Republican party to ascertain the eligibility of a Presidential candidate or they are consciously or subconsciously racist
 
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53% of registered republicans do not believe that President Obama was born in the USA and another 27% state that they are not sure, Here is my conclusion either they have no faith in the Republican party to ascertain the eligibility of a Presidential candidate or they are consciously or subconsciously racist

This charge of being "subconsciously racist" is another charge being bandied about that is almost impossible to disprove. We could also say Democrats are "subconsciously racist" and the charge would be equally valid, or invalid. It certainly does poison the well of public debate though.

Another term being used more recently by Leftists is the charge of "using code words", or language, which is another way to describe "subconscious racism', without having any evidence that such racism actually exists.
 
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53% of registered republicans do not believe that President Obama was born in the USA and another 27% state that they are not sure, Here is my conclusion either they have no faith in the Republican party to ascertain the eligibility of a Presidential candidate or they are consciously or subconsciously racist

What on earth does believing he was born in the US or not have to do with racism in the slightest? Are there racists that believe that? Of course there are, but those folks were racists to begin with. You're going way out on a frail limb with this analogy, just so you know.
 
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What on earth does believing he was born in the US or not have to do with racism in the slightest?

Seriously?

That bit of ignorance (birtherism) stems from a core bigotry, seeing the black man as 'the other'. Not trusting the colored (in their minds, less-American) skin. These may be perfectly nice people on the surface. They know black people, work with black people, and would never utter a racist word publicly. But in the those secret, private moments, they have that lingering doubt that the black man with Muslim name is not really American.

It has EVERYTHING to do with racism.

It is a very limiting belief to only think racists come in sheets. They're typically the older generation, people set in their ways. Again, not overt, but the bigotry is there, just below the surface.
 
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This charge of being "subconsciously racist" is another charge being bandied about that is almost impossible to disprove. We could also say Democrats are "subconsciously racist" and the charge would be equally valid, or invalid. It certainly does poison the well of public debate though.

Another term being used more recently by Leftists is the charge of "using code words", or language, which is another way to describe "subconscious racism', without having any evidence that such racism actually exists.

I did not participate in the poll, but I participate in real life and have no doubt that racism plays a major role in the way that many view our President, my mother a good woman has said I am not a racist but I don't want a black man eating at my table, my step sister won't visit her mother because she adopted black children. My cousin a life long democrat changed parties and refers to Obama by the N word. I come from a NJ middle class family living just outside of Princeton and have heard the racism all of my life.

The poll I presented polled democrats and look at the results.

Now back to the topic should Bachmann debate Amy I would think it would be a no winner for Bachmann

New Poll Finds Tea Partiers Have More Racist Attitudes - Newsweek

New Poll Finds Tea Partiers Have More Racist Attitudes
Are tea partiers racist? That question has triggered a flood of impassioned commentary in recent months. Opponents depict the movement as a band of cranky old white people brimming with racial resentment, as evidenced by the inflammatory signs that pop up at their rallies and coded language about "taking our country back." Supporters say the movement is motivated quite simply by resistance to big government and that the occasional flashes of racism are overhyped by the media and representative of only a small fringe. As Gallup's Frank Newport recently wrote, "Each side of the political spectrum appears to have a vested interest in portraying the Tea Party movement in the specific way that best fits their ideological positioning." Yet neither side has had much empirical data to draw on.

So a new poll by researchers at the University of Washington caught my eye. The findings are sure to fan the flames further. "People who approve of the Tea Party, more than those who don't approve, have more racist attitudes," says Christopher Parker, a University of Washington professor who directed the survey. "And not only that, but more homophobic and xenophobic attitudes." For instance, respondents were asked whether they agreed with various characterizations of different racial groups. Only 35 percent of those who strongly approve of the tea party agreed that blacks are hardworking, compared with 55 percent of those who strongly disapprove of the tea party. On whether blacks were intelligent, 45 percent of the tea-party supporters agreed, compared with 59 percent of the tea-party opponents. And on the issue of whether blacks were trustworthy, 41 percent of the tea-party supporters agreed, compared with 57 percent of the tea-party opponents.

The survey, which included about 1,000 respondents in six battleground states (like Michigan and Nevada) and California, found similar margins on questions regarding Latinos. And tea-party supporters were far more likely than opponents to say that immigrants take jobs from people living here (59 percent agreed with that statement), that immigration from foreign countries should be decreased (53 percent agreed), and that undocumented immigrants in the U.S. should be deported immediately (45 percent agreed).
 
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Didn't say that hypocrisy was exclusive to politics. But when I see it, I point it out.

Since doing that usually leads to confrontation in one form or another, one could come to the conclusion that you would be trolling then.

j-mac
 
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This is what I mean by a "hack" comment. The political persuasions of the participants are irrelevant... that's what the "hacks" posting, don't get.

Not irrelevant at all. What are you proposing they debate about? the color of the sky? What you don't seem to get is that this is a really dumb idea.

j-mac
 
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Seriously?

That bit of ignorance (birtherism) stems from a core bigotry, seeing the black man as 'the other'. Not trusting the colored (in their minds, less-American) skin. These may be perfectly nice people on the surface. They know black people, work with black people, and would never utter a racist word publicly. But in the those secret, private moments, they have that lingering doubt that the black man with Muslim name is not really American.

It has EVERYTHING to do with racism.

It is a very limiting belief to only think racists come in sheets. They're typically the older generation, people set in their ways. Again, not overt, but the bigotry is there, just below the surface.

*NEWSFLASH*

Just because one disagrees with Obama and hates his policies does not make one a racist.

If Obama were white (well, he is half white after all), I'd still disagree with him and hate his policies. It has nothing to do with the color of his skin and everything to do with him destroying this country. How you folks try to make a connection between a bunch of morons not believing that Obama was born in the US to them being racist is illogical at best. I had doubts that Obama was actually born in Hawaii, and I'm still not 100% convinced, but there are very few things that I'm 100% sure of outside of death and I'm no birther. IMO, he has presented enough evidence to drop the case and move on. He's our President, like it or not, and he's there legitimately. I don't hate Obama and I'm not a racist in the slightest. Just because you claim that "birthers are racist" doesn't make it true. Either your being purposely deceitful and you don't care that you're spreading lies and propaganda or you aren't capable of seeing the truth, even if it hurts.
 
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Is suggesting there is no racists in the tea party ridiculous? Absolutely. Then again, so is suggesting Tea Party Rallies are akin to KKK rallies.

For every racist sign people find in a picture, there's dozens or hundreds of other people typically in the picture not suggesting such hate. There's also dozens of pictures of dozens to hundreds of people without any of them holding a racist sign. Taking a few signs and making everyone around it guilty by association is asinine, and illogical. The main way people justify the "tea party = racist" argument is based on nothing but biased opinion that assigns motive or views to people based off biased assumptions and stereotypes rather than fact.

That said, I think its rather ridiculous to criticize people for ignorance on the tea party and any racist elements and then turn around and make an ignorant and completely unverifiable claim that it's a "fact" there are more Racists in the democratic party than in the Republican Party and Tea Party combined. Basing this on what?

Personally, I think that the racists...the honest to goodness, legitimate, full on racists...are a significant minority in the large scope of each side of the aisle, and make up primarily the fringes. And to attempt to quantify either side is a useless cause. Its when you start gettinginto the more questionable "racist" accusations that the lines begin to blur a bit, but frankly I feel so often those arguments are more a factor of people creating an issue out of nothing to further a victim mentality and to demonize enemies than any honest to goodness true form of racism.

I agree with CC completely about Bachmann. There's no good way to "teach" during a debate. If Bachmann was successful in her debate with the teenager, the left wing pundits and and die hards would spin it immedietely into her beating up on a kid, lowering herself to debating a teenager, insult her by suggesting teenagers are the only people she could out debate, etc. If Bachmann was not successful, then she'd be grilled as well only even worse. There would be zero benefit to her in debating the teenager. Are we honestly thinking that if she actually did significantly better than the teenager most of the liberal die hards would go "Oh wow, Bachmann actually does know her stuff. I like her and respect her now".

If you believe that, I have swamp land in Florida I want to sell you.

As to the "attention whoring" of the girl, that's somewhat hard to say. This is the type of story that screams of a situation where a reporter or someone heard about it and sought out the story. If she purposefully promoted herself and got the word out and got the news interest going on her...yeah, annoying self publicity. But if this was more something she was roped into doing, even if going along willingly, I wouldn't really say attention whoring. And, even if it is shameless self promotion, depending on what this girls honest aspirations are I can't really blame her. This seems more of a legitimate attempt to get involved into politics than it is an attempt to get 15 minutes of fame to be a "celebrity" or something of the sorts.

The people actually giving threats are ridiculous, and anything found legitimate should be looked into. That said, with the aninonimity of the internet, crap like this isn't as uncommon of an occurence as it may've been. I'd dare say a good bit of the various threats are completely hollow or even flat out fraudulent. Doesn't really make it right, but postings on internet boards don't worry me as much as if she was getting threatening phone calls or things sent to her home.


Zyphlin, which party supports Government programs that reward people merely based on skin color, while denying same rewards to others based on skin color?

Point, match, win.
 
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Zyphlin, which party supports Government programs that reward people merely based on skin color, while denying same rewards to others based on skin color?

Point, match, win.

It's so much more than that, but that a different topic for a different thread.
 
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It's so much more than that, but that a different topic for a different thread.

I merely am zeroing in on a legislative action of Government that is inherently racist.
 
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*NEWSFLASH*

Just because one disagrees with Obama and hates his policies does not make one a racist.

Textbook Strawman.

Because the reader can't see your post that I was responding to, they assume that was my position -- all anti-Obama's are racist.

But that's not what I said. I was responding to your specific quote --

What on earth does believing he was born in the US or not have to do with racism in the slightest?

Moving on.

In the next paragraph you sort of transition to what I was really commenting on (birthers, and those still having doubt)... AND, you bravely admit you have your own doubts.

If Obama were white (well, he is half white after all), I'd still disagree with him and hate his policies. It has nothing to do with the color of his skin and everything to do with him destroying this country. How you folks try to make a connection between a bunch of morons not believing that Obama was born in the US to them being racist is illogical at best. I had doubts that Obama was actually born in Hawaii, and I'm still not 100% convinced, but there are very few things that I'm 100% sure of outside of death and I'm no birther. IMO, he has presented enough evidence to drop the case and move on. He's our President, like it or not, and he's there legitimately. I don't hate Obama and I'm not a racist in the slightest. Just because you claim that "birthers are racist" doesn't make it true. Either your being purposely deceitful and you don't care that you're spreading lies and propaganda or you aren't capable of seeing the truth, even if it hurts.

Let me be specific. I'm talking about birthers and those still harboring doubt, even a little doubt.

IMO opinion, that doubt stems from a subtle from of hidden closet racism. When you peel back the layers, asking people to specifically define what they 'hate' about Obama, you inevitably get to 'welfare', 'socialism', or other negative associations stemming from the color of his skin.

Yet, the words themselves (welfare, socialist) bare no literal relations to his actual policies. So what is it then? What do they 'hate'?

IMO - On a subconscious level, those with doubt were not ready for a black president. That older generation still holding on to the stereotypes of yesteryear. The code words on Fox News, their daily narrative, help keep that fire burning, even if it's just embers.
 
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Zyphlin, which party supports Government programs that reward people merely based on skin color, while denying same rewards to others based on skin color?

Point, match, win.

Not really, considering that when there was a GOP President and Congress, none of those so called "racist" programs were ever removed by said GOP controlled government.

Nice try, but as much as the GOP seems to not like these programs, they did NOTHING to remove them when they were in control of everything.
 
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Not really, considering that when there was a GOP President and Congress, none of those so called "racist" programs were ever removed by said GOP controlled government.

Nice try, but as much as the GOP seems to not like these programs, they did NOTHING to remove them when they were in control of everything.

Pick your fights.

And when was the last time the GOP had 60 Senate Seats, and a filibuster house?
 
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Pick your fights.

And when was the last time the GOP had 60 Senate Seats, and a filibuster house?

Your free to make excuses all you want but the FACT is that it is all talk and no action by the GOP. But then that is what the GOP is good at.
 
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Your free to make excuses all you want but the FACT is that it is all talk and no action by the GOP. But then that is what the GOP is good at.

I see, so you can't answer the question?
 
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