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    White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorization

    White House on War Powers Deadline: 'Limited' US Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorization

    In an effort to satisfy those arguing he needs to seek congressional authorization to continue US military activity in accordance with the War Powers Resolution, President Obama wrote a letter to congressional leaders this afternoon suggesting that the role is now so “limited” he does not need to seek congressional approval.

    “Since April 4,” the president wrote, “U.S. participation has consisted of: (1) non-kinetic support to the NATO-led operation, including intelligence, logistical support, and search and rescue assistance; (2) aircraft that have assisted in the suppression and destruction of air defenses in support of the no-fly zone; and (3) since April 23, precision strikes by unmanned aerial vehicles against a limited set of clearly defined targets in support of the NATO-led coalition's efforts.”
    ABC NEWS LINK: HERE




    In a 2007 interview with The Boston Globe, then Senator and Presidential candidate Obama said
    “The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation.”
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    In the above article he goes on to say “As for the specific question about bombing suspected nuclear sites, I recently introduced S.J. Res. 23, which states in part that “any offensive military action taken by the United States against Iran must be explicitly authorized by Congress.”

    Candidate Obama seemed to think that it was important that the American people knew what his positions were and went so far as to speak about the trust the American people must have in someone whom they might elect President. Here are his words again:
    Do you think it is important for all would-be presidents to answer questions like these before voters decide which one to entrust with the powers of the presidency? What would you say about any rival candidate who refuses to answer such questions?
    Yes, these are essential questions that all the candidates should answer. Any President takes an oath to, “preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States." The American people need to know where we stand on these issues before they entrust us with this responsibility – particularly at a time when our laws, our traditions, and our Constitution have been repeatedly challenged by this Administration.
    In lite of the fact that he started a war Libya, what has changed since then, other than the fact that he is now President and there aren’t any real anti-war protests anymore? President Obama NOW seems to think that the United Nations is the legislative body that has the authority to authorize the United States to go to war rather than Congress.

    Obama is not alone in his flip-floppery either. Vice President Biden, then Senator and Presidential candidate Biden, threatened to impeach then President Bush if he bombed Iran’s nuclear sites claiming that the President has no Constitutional authority to take America to war unless we are attacked or there is proof that we are about to be attacked (see videos below).





    What has changed? Why aren’t the American people outraged? I suspect it is because the majority of Americans want to support this President and want to see him succeed so badly that they allow him to lull them into utter ignorance by twisting words and coming up with phrases like “non-kinetic operations” and “reduce spending in the tax code”. If you plan to raise taxes and you call it “to reduce spending in the tax code”, you aren’t being honest and real with the American people.

    However, when you take the country to war and claim that it isn’t a war because we are now only performing “non-kinetic operations”, you are basically saying that Osama Bin Laden was never at war with the US because he only engaged in “non-kinetic operations” aren’t you?
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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

    If Congress presses the issue, how quickly could this get in front of the Supreme Court? They can move their schedule for urgent cases, right? If Congress can stop this, hopefully they will sue the Obama Administration and get an injunction for him to cease and desist this war immediately.
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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    If Congress presses the issue, how quickly could this get in front of the Supreme Court? They can move their schedule for urgent cases, right? If Congress can stop this, hopefully they will sue the Obama Administration and get an injunction for him to cease and desist this war immediately.
    I want to place an addendum to this sentiment. Congress should demand the President do it the RIGHT WAY or immediately defund all combat operations involving Lybia. American's will support military action, but when you act like "Our Lord and King" with **** like this, we're gonna rise up.
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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

    Obama is once again playing fast and loose with the Laws of the Nation, and it's time he got shut down.

    The War Powers Resolution of 1973 for those too young to remember, President Nixon Vetoed it and was promptly Overidden in the House and Senate.

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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    American's will support military action, but when you act like "Our Lord and King" with **** like this, we're gonna rise up.
    Like you even care whats going on in libya. Like anyone except 2% of the population knows wtf is going on there. This is just a next step, global policing made easy. Relax, max

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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

    Even his Kool Aid followers, who will loyally support his every move, should be able to think this through.

    When will they finally say "enough"?

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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    Like you even care whats going on in libya. Like anyone except 2% of the population knows wtf is going on there. This is just a next step, global policing made easy. Relax, max
    Kt seems he's supporting a "Muslim Spring" in the Middle East.

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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    President Obama NOW seems to think that the United Nations is the legislative body that has the authority to authorize the United States to go to war rather than Congress.
    1) Where is that inferred?
    2) What does the United Nations have to do with the Libyan Civil War?

    The United Nations isn't mentioned in any of your quotes when Obama was a candidate nor in the news paper article concerning this story.

    This issue is enough of a valid criticism of President Obama's position without needing to go on a hyperbolic tangent against the UN. If you have quotes from Obama stating that the United Nations is the legislative body that has the power to approve or prohibit American military operations then please provide them. Otherwise, in the spirit of intellectual honesty, please stick to the issues at hand.
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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

    The War Powers Act needs serious revision. It needs to be specifically limited to something like 6 months. Using to justify years of war as it has been recently seems to be a clear violation of Constitutional intent.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    The War Powers Act needs serious revision. It needs to be specifically limited to something like 6 months. Using to justify years of war as it has been recently seems to be a clear violation of Constitutional intent.
    The US President has gone rogue.

    Will the Kool-Aid drinkers ever accept the possibility that this guy is, according to their definitions, seriously right wing?

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