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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Merely we've signed agreements, of our own free will, to act with them on UN missions.
    LOL!

    you don't know what you're talking about

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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    The reason why the U.S. is inclined to aid the rebels is to assert a moral duty to do so.
    are you following syria?

    of course, hillary says assad is a reformer

    Clinton calls Syrian tyrant a reformer

    what's going on in yemen and bahrain?

    why is libya vital to american security when syria across the jordan and yemen on the gulf aren't?

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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

    Quote Originally Posted by Amazed View Post
    Didya wanna prove that the Wiretaps were illegal
    thursday: Leaders reach Patriot Act deal - Jake Sherman and John Bresnahan - POLITICO.com

    thanks

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    so congressional approval is not necessary because the violence we wage is "limited?"

    yes, sir, mr commander in chief

    days not weeks, anyone?

    nation building?

    remember the powell doctrine

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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Not exactly. However, it is generally believed that the best way to determine who is in charge of another nation is through democratic means. And Gadaffi has usurp the democratic nature of Libya. And the Libyan people have risen up against him to challenge this. Which is why Libya is in a civil war to begin with.
    A modern democracy is not compatible with Islam and their way of thinking, so I have zero expectations that any revolution will result in even a Western neutral democracy.

    Also, certain cultures are not compatible with democratic forms of government. When they appear to have them, it is merely a sham. They only operate with a strong man in charge.

    No. Gadaffi is not accountable to Obama. Rather, Gadaffi is accountable to the people of Libya. This is in line with the idea of a social contract between the governor and the governed. When the governor no longer has the consent of the governed, they have the duty to defy the tyrant in power.

    This ideal has most eloquently been expressed by our own Founding Fathers.

    The reason why the U.S. is inclined to aid the rebels is to assert a moral duty to do so. If we have our own political system based on a democracy with the consent of the governed then we should support those who work for the same for themselves.

    Just as the French provided aid to the rebels in the Colonies that allowed us to become our sovereign nation of the United States, so to should the U.S. provide aid to the rebels in Libya to help the people of Libya develop a democratic political system.
    I'm guessing, you don't like people directing your life and telling you to do something else, "because it's for your own good", when you very clearly have a different idea about what is for your own good.

    Exercising your rights responsibly and not interfering with someone else's free exercise of their rights, then you should be left the **** alone.

    In essence, that is the heart of our republic. Freedom. Not absolute freedom, but freedom minimally restricted by laws to protect the rights of all, not just the strong.

    If that is our belief for us, why shouldn't we apply it to our relations with other nations as well?

    And last...I really don't give a **** how many of his own people Gadaffi kills as long as he doesn't kill Americans .

    He's not.
    Yes, he is
    Libya is in Northern Africa.
    Technically, yes....but, the key word here is... Muslim

    When push comes to shove, the majority of the time Muslims will side with a fellow Muslims
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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    I want to place an addendum to this sentiment. Congress should demand the President do it the RIGHT WAY or immediately defund all combat operations involving Lybia. American's will support military action, but when you act like "Our Lord and King" with **** like this, we're gonna rise up.
    that's the point. Congress has the power of the purse - if they really believed this crap they could stop anything they wanted.


    with the exception of the Marine Corps. Because there is nothing that could stop the Marine Corps

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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

    There is no illegal wiretapping in that. Warrantless wiretapping ended a long time ago.

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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

    Quote Originally Posted by Gargantuan View Post
    There is no illegal wiretapping in that. Warrantless wiretapping ended a long time ago.
    Yeah, you keep buying that one....lol


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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati


    For those with short memories:

    Excerpted from “Senate Passes Resolution Calling for No-Fly Zone Over Libya” By Dan Friedman, National Journal, Updated: March 1, 2011 | 9:35 p.m., March 1, 2011 | 9:19 p.m., with my emphasis
    The Senate unanimously approved a nonbinding resolution on Tuesday calling for the United Nations Security Council to impose a no-fly zone over Libya and urged Libyan leader Muammar el-Qaddafi to resign and allow a peaceful transition to democracy. …
    Congressionally authorized. Check.
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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post

    For those with short memories:



    Congressionally authorized. Check.
    Funny how that wasn't good enough for you Chappy, when Bush was in.....tsk, tsk, tsk....


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