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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Actually it is. If the Congress approves the use of force and funds the effort that is equal to a declaration.
    Actually it's not. All congress did was say we're nto going to decide. Instead, we'll leave it up to the president. That is not in any way equal to a declaration of war. It is congress not doing their job.

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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    Treaties are the law of the land.
    Treaties have the force of law. They do not supersede anything. In the event of a conflict between a treaty and the Constitution the Constitution sure ought to win in court. But with the state of the courts there is no telling...

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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Treaties have the force of law. They do not supersede anything. In the event of a conflict between a treaty and the Constitution the Constitution sure ought to win in court. But with the state of the courts there is no telling...
    Just to be clear, no such conflict existed concerning Iraq. There is a place for hypotheticals, but they should be in the context of what we're speaking of. Nothing in the constitution demanded we invade Iraq. Nothing in terms of threat or national interest demanded we invade Iraq. As such, there was nothing that would validate breaking our agreements.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Actually it's not. All congress did was say we're nto going to decide. Instead, we'll leave it up to the president. That is not in any way equal to a declaration of war. It is congress not doing their job.
    Ho Boo, I think I have read all of your responses along the way. I am sorry I even bothered. It is my opinion that you are unteachable on this subject. Perhaps there are other things to discuss.

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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Ho Boo, I think I have read all of your responses along the way. I am sorry I even bothered. It is my opinion that you are unteachable on this subject. Perhaps there are other things to discuss.
    So, the only way anyone can be right is if they believe what you believe. Sorry, it doesn't work that way. There was no declaration or way and congress did nothing more than pass the buck to the president. Those are facts. If you have to read into it, make it seem equal when it isn't, then you are the one needing education.

    Just saying . . .

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    First, let me note that I fully support Obama's actions and feel he did not go far enough...

    Gaddafi bombed his own people with his air force and employed international mercenaries (because the army, at first, balked) to execute martial law, killing thousands.
    What about this makes it our problem to solve? Oil? We don't get much from Libya, do we? Doesn't most of it go to Europe?

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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Anyway, Obama has not broken any rules. He'll leave it to NATO, except funding by congress, soon enough.
    Obama violated the Constitution of the United States when he attacked Libya without Congressional approval. It really is that simple.

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    It would seem that the constitution is just a god damn piece of paper, to be trotted out when expedient.

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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Ho Boo, I think I have read all of your responses along the way. I am sorry I even bothered. It is my opinion that you are unteachable on this subject. Perhaps there are other things to discuss.
    Boo isn’t interested in an honest debate of the issue. He is only interested in confusing the real issues with contrived and indefensible opinions followed by throwing out more contrived and indefensible opinions rather than answering any real questions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    It would seem that the constitution is just a god damn piece of paper, to be trotted out when expedient.

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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    What about this makes it our problem to solve? Oil? We don't get much from Libya, do we? Doesn't most of it go to Europe?

    Then in your infinite wisdom (not) explain to me why we are there. Mister Truth is certainly a misnomer, even an oxymoron. Son't give up though, just answer the question... Clue-it is not about preventing the death of civilians. It is not about freedom and democracy. It is not about human rights. We have invaded the number one country in Africa, economically and human well being. Your drummer has lost his cadence.

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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Then in your infinite wisdom (not) explain to me why we are there.
    Does anyone have infinite wisdom?
    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Mister Truth is certainly a misnomer, even an oxymoron.
    Explain why you think it is an oxymoron. Do you mean this, a true oxymoron is "something that is surprisingly true, a paradox" (from Wikipedia).
    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Son't give up though, just answer the question... Clue-it is not about preventing the death of civilians. It is not about freedom and democracy. It is not about human rights. We have invaded the number one country in Africa, economically and human well being. Your drummer has lost his cadence.
    Which question? The one I posed and you did not answer? Or your question, "why are we there?"
    You began to ramble in that last little bit. You might want to tighten up your thinking just a bit.

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