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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    So you don't really believe all that **** you were talking during Bush's admin, it was just politics. Yeah we knew it, that's why we told you all to go **** yourselves. We knew you really didn't uphold any principals....other than socialism. The rest doesn't matter.

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    Nope. I stand by everything I said then and now. I know the difference between the two situations, and it is silly, not to mention partisan, to pretend that what Obama has done here is equal to what Bush did. Perhaps it is because you know you can't win the debate n merit that you seek to distort?

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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

    absolutely

    bush's iraq war was NOT, unlike obama's actions in libya, a UNITED NATIONS MISSION

    LOL!

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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

    today:

    NATO said on Wednesday it had extended its Libyan mission for a further 90 days, after Gaddafi made it clear he would not step down, dashing hopes of a negotiated end to the uprising against his rule.
    Libya oil chief defects, NATO extends campaign - Yahoo! News

    days not weeks, anyone?

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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    absolutely

    bush's iraq war was NOT, unlike obama's actions in libya, a UNITED NATIONS MISSION

    LOL!
    That's right. Bush invaded Iraq outside the UN, breaking agreements we made.

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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

    LOL!

    you don't know what you're talking about

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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    LOL!

    you don't know what you're talking about
    So, you're saying Bush was on a UN mission? Do tell.

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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

    united nations mission---LOL!

    hey, at least libya's not AS ILLEGAL as iraq

    what an idiot obama is

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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    You are joking right? You aren’t seriously claiming that Congress was referring to the United Nations when it said “specific statutory authorization” are you?
    I bring to your attention the United Nations Participatory Act of 1945, 22 U.S.C. 287d:

    The President is authorized to negotiate a special agreement or agreements with the Security Council which shall be subject to the approval of the Congress by appropriate Act or joint resolution, providing for the numbers and types of armed forces, their degree of readiness and general location, and the nature of facilities and assistance, including rights of passage, to be made available to the Security Council on its call for the purpose of maintaining international peace and security in accordance with article 43 of said Charter. The President shall not be deemed to require the authorization of the Congress to make available to the Security Council on its call in order to take action under article 42 of said Charter and pursuant to such special agreement or agreements the armed forces, facilities, or assistance provided for therein: Provided, That, except as authorized in section 287d–1 of this title, nothing herein contained shall be construed as an authorization to the President by the Congress to make available to the Security Council for such purpose armed forces, facilities, or assistance in addition to the forces, facilities, and assistance provided for in such special agreement or agreements.
    In short, the UNPA gives the president the authority to negotiate peace agreements w/the U.N. Security Counsel in an effort to help establish peace in the face of hostilities abroad provided that a U.N. Resolution has been established concerning such hostilities. However, the President cannot go beyond the limits and scope of the U.N. resolution as mandated.

    Bottom Line: The UNPA is that "statutory" authorization per section 2(c)(2) of the War Powers Act.

    So what you are saying is that Obama thought it would be unconstitutional for Bush to invoke the War Powers Act to bomb Iran’s nuclear facilities but NOW thinks it is constitutional for him to bomb the crap out of Libya for many months without congressional approval right?
    Without knowing the exact circumstances that prompted GW Bush to take the pre-emptive offensive measures he took against Iran, I can't say for sure if his actions were right or wrong. However, what I will say is if Iran did not pose an imminant threat to U.S. national security interests (i.e., attacking their neighbor causing instability in the region that required U.N./NATO involvement towhich the U.S. became a part of per a U.N. resolution), then I'd be inclined to say yes, GW Bush may have gone a step too far in that regard.

    Quote Originally Posted by PzKfW IVe View Post
    UN resolutons, not being US law, are not statutory authorizations.
    Again, see above as well as this linked thread that discusses the matter in full detail (far better than I could, I must confess).
    Last edited by Objective Voice; 06-01-11 at 04:48 PM.

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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

    House GOP kills vote on Libya

    "House Republicans yanked a resolution from the floor that called for an end to U.S. participation in a NATO military action in Libya after it appeared the measure may have had enough support to pass."



    Read more at the Washington Examiner: House GOP kills vote on Libya | Susan Ferrechio | Beltway Confidential | Washington Examiner
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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    absolutely

    bush's iraq war was NOT, unlike obama's actions in libya, a UNITED NATIONS MISSION

    LOL!
    "Prof" huh? thats funny

    do you know how many other nations were involved in Iraq?

    I'm going on memory, but I believe it was 21

    you can google it if youd like..
    probably a good idea before you make afool of yourself with such a statement
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