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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Why don't you lay out in black and white the Boo Radley rules for debate for me so I know what I can, and can not do....Also be prepared to adhere to them yourself.
    What you'll find:
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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

    Quote Originally Posted by PzKfW IVe View Post
    What you'll find:
    GWB: "Water is wet."
    TBHO: "Water is wet."
    Boo: Obama is correct, Bush is a liar.
    This shows a complete misreading. Wildly inaccurate.

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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    All nations who are memebers have the same agreement, and do so in various degrees.
    libya, the great UN mission---LOL!

    you don't know what you're talking about

    The question is one of must, but one of can.
    characteristically incoherent, dr detroit

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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    The point is, what you did was, factual, a strawman. It is what it is. No one has suggested at anytime, anywhere, at all that we be subject to the UN. You bring that up because it is easier to fight that strawman than what has been said.
    The point is that you seem to give the UN more credence, and authority over American Sovereignty than I ever would.

    And not iron clad, but agreements all the same and subject to a procedure, just as your loan is. You can't just say i don't like it, so i'll pretend it doesn't exist.
    Now who has said that? You talk to me of strawman arguments?

    I don't think is says must. However, we have certainly agreed to send manpower as we can and will. All nations who are memebers have the same agreement, and do so in various degrees. The question is one of must, but one of can.

    And at this point this needs to be reviewed. We generally are the greatest contributor of forces when the UN says they need them. I say let the countries that have the most at stake contribute more, or send the UN a bill.

    They're the same for everyone J. Be honest. Avoid fallacies. And when you enter a conversation, expect that the person you're talking to will see in that context. You jumped back when you were responded to in the context of the discussion you entered. Isn't it reasonable that I expect you are discussing this in that context?
    You know better than that Joe.

    No. It is merely limited. To have the power it would need would require making nations subject to them. No one wants that. So it means it has to bargan, argue, fail at times. It's still better than not trying at all. And our role should be to hammer out the agreements we want, and that we believe to be right, and adhere to them while working to amke others adhere to their agreements. we should not see ourselves as rulers who dictate, but memebers who work to improve.
    So you agree with American Imperialism....Good to know.


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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

    Not "American" imperialism. The Unted States is not only not an imperialist nation, but the participation of Obama in the Libyan conflict is without Congressional authority.

    Obama is the imperialist, not the United States.

    One has to ask, why does Obama want to help al qeada in Libya?

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    Gaddafi's days are numbered. Last week 8 senior military officers defected, including 4 generals. Gaddafi has begun to call everyone who dies from his side "a martyr" and when people get killed by strikes, he says not that they got killed but that they got "martyred". When the leader starts praising everyone who happens to have a missile fall on their head as a hero of the state and avoids using the word killed, he's getting desperate. He's trying very hard to frame this defeat in such a way that some of his regime remains in place.

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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

    nation building, anyone?

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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Probably when this is actually equal to what Bush did.
    So you don't really believe all that **** you were talking during Bush's admin, it was just politics. Yeah we knew it, that's why we told you all to go **** yourselves. We knew you really didn't uphold any principals....other than socialism. The rest doesn't matter.

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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    nation building, anyone?
    The ironic thing is that anyone who knows anything about the history of Libya basically agrees that Khaddafy BUILT that nation.
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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    The ironic thing is that anyone who knows anything about the history of Libya basically agrees that Khaddafy BUILT that nation.
    Haha. He owned everything for 42 years. Who else could get credit for anything? Truth is, Libya developed despite Gaddafi much like the USSR developed despite Stalin. Instead of praising the development that occured despite tyranny, we should ask what might have been.
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