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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I always have seen you as a decent fellow who feeds himself junk
    what's he sposed to do, link to whitehouse.gov?

    or comedy central?

    or the sydney morning herald?

    LOL!

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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    We answer to our agreements, our word, or signed agreements
    LOL!

    you don't know what you're talking about

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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    what's he sposed to do, link to whitehouse.gov?

    or comedy central?

    or the sydney morning herald?

    LOL!
    I do wish you were serious once or twice.

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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

    says the person who posts to the sydney morning herald on behalf of public school teachers in new york

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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    J, I'm the same guy thinking the same way. The only real change is that I meet silliness with silliness more than I did when trying to enforce up2date's vision of WS.

    And no, I wouldn't say the same of you. I always have seen you as a decent fellow who feeds himself junk (AT and such) and often reasons poorly. I wish you would try to understand more and seek sterotypical nonsense to excuse your errors less.

    I tried.


    Now, this is you dodging the point. Going with the personal attack as opposed to assessing the accuracy of the point. As no one has every claimed we be subserviant to the UN, you merely throw up a strawman. there is little other word for it.
    No, I am dodging nothing. And I didn't personally attack you so much as call out your method of answering my post. All you did is turn it around on me rather than address the concern. That is what I called out. You say no one has claimed that we be subservient to the UN, however at the same time point to agreements that may not be in our best interests, as iron clad. To me it would be foolish to continue to bend to the UN's will blindly without a review of the bigger picture.

    You used a car purchase earlier, and I would just say that if you did purchase that auto, and at the end of your term paying it off, something happened where the finance company said that they had to tack on an extra 6 months of payments, and in the fine print you agreed to that, I'd suspect you'd fight it.

    yes, there is recourse. But ignoreing it and pretending it doesn't exist isn't one of them. And no one says we answer to the UN. We answer to our agreements, our word, or signed agreements. Agian, you're failing to address the point and instead want to throw up something easier to beat. This is the very definition of strawman.
    Ok, if that be the case, then would you, could you point out which agreement, and specific language says that we, the US must answer a call from the UN to provide man power, equipment, and everything that goes along with that, based on a call from this body to support one side in a civil war?

    No one said you couldn't interject. Only noted that you did jump in. As someone jumping in, there is an expectation that your discussion is in that context.

    Why don't you lay out in black and white the Boo Radley rules for debate for me so I know what I can, and can not do....Also be prepared to adhere to them yourself.

    Which is quite proper. But until the proper recourse has occured, we're obligated to our agreements. Pretending that they don't exist is not proper recourse.
    So, do you agree then that the UN is a feckless org, that is meaningless, and should be removed from US soil, and our involvement ended?

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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

    I'm sorry to interupt, but I only have a small question. When do you think that Congressional Declaration of War will be coming through? Just wondering, since Bush did all this "illegal" stuff and all, I know the Democrats don't want to make the same mistakes, right?
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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I tried
    .

    You did. So did I.



    No, I am dodging nothing. And I didn't personally attack you so much as call out your method of answering my post. All you did is turn it around on me rather than address the concern. That is what I called out. You say no one has claimed that we be subservient to the UN, however at the same time point to agreements that may not be in our best interests, as iron clad. To me it would be foolish to continue to bend to the UN's will blindly without a review of the bigger picture.

    You used a car purchase earlier, and I would just say that if you did purchase that auto, and at the end of your term paying it off, something happened where the finance company said that they had to tack on an extra 6 months of payments, and in the fine print you agreed to that, I'd suspect you'd fight it.
    The point is, what you did was, factual, a strawman. It is what it is. No one has suggested at anytime, anywhere, at all that we be subject to the UN. You bring that up because it is easier to fight that strawman than what has been said.

    And not iron clad, but agreements all the same and subject to a procedure, just as your loan is. You can't just say i don't like it, so i'll pretend it doesn't exist.

    Ok, if that be the case, then would you, could you point out which agreement, and specific language says that we, the US must answer a call from the UN to provide man power, equipment, and everything that goes along with that, based on a call from this body to support one side in a civil war?
    I don't think is says must. However, we have certainly agreed to send manpower as we can and will. All nations who are memebers have the same agreement, and do so in various degrees. The question is one of must, but one of can.



    Why don't you lay out in black and white the Boo Radley rules for debate for me so I know what I can, and can not do....Also be prepared to adhere to them yourself.
    They're the same for everyone J. Be honest. Avoid fallacies. And when you enter a conversation, expect that the person you're talking to will see in that context. You jumped back when you were responded to in the context of the discussion you entered. Isn't it reasonable that I expect you are discussing this in that context?


    So, do you agree then that the UN is a feckless org, that is meaningless, and should be removed from US soil, and our involvement ended?

    j-mac
    No. It is merely limited. To have the power it would need would require making nations subject to them. No one wants that. So it means it has to bargan, argue, fail at times. It's still better than not trying at all. And our role should be to hammer out the agreements we want, and that we believe to be right, and adhere to them while working to amke others adhere to their agreements. we should not see ourselves as rulers who dictate, but memebers who work to improve.

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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I'm sorry to interupt, but I only have a small question. When do you think that Congressional Declaration of War will be coming through? Just wondering, since Bush did all this "illegal" stuff and all, I know the Democrats don't want to make the same mistakes, right?
    Probably when this is actually equal to what Bush did.

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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I'm sorry to interupt, but I only have a small question. When do you think that Congressional Declaration of War will be coming through? Just wondering, since Bush did all this "illegal" stuff and all, I know the Democrats don't want to make the same mistakes, right?
    The Obama is a Democrat.
    Thus, the Democrats hold Him to a different standard.
    Duh.

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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

    Quote Originally Posted by PzKfW IVe View Post
    The Obama is a Democrat.
    Thus, the Democrats hold Him to a different standard.
    Duh.
    Sounds like an excuse to ignroe actual differences.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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