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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex
    TITLE 50 > CHAPTER 33 > § 1541
    § 1541. Purpose and policy
    .....

    (c) Presidential executive power as Commander-in-Chief; limitation

    The constitutional powers of the President as Commander-in-Chief to introduce United States Armed Forces into hostilities, or into situations where imminent involvement in hostilities is clearly indicated by the circumstances, are exercised only pursuant to

    (1) a declaration of war,
    (2) specific statutory authorization, or
    (3) a national emergency created by attack upon the United States, its territories or possessions, or its armed forces.
    You seem to have ignored subparagraph (2) in which the President used by virtue of obtaining 3 UN Resolutions to commit armed forces to Libya.

    Either way, as I've already made clear, the President did not envoke the Constitution in this situation. He envoked the War Powers Act.

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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    You seem to have ignored subparagraph (2) in which the President used by virtue of obtaining 3 UN Resolutions to commit armed forces to Libya.
    You are joking right? You aren’t seriously claiming that Congress was referring to the United Nations when it said “specific statutory authorization” are you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Either way, as I've already made clear, the President did not envoke the Constitution in this situation. He envoked the War Powers Act.
    So what you are saying is that Obama thought it would be unconstitutional for Bush to invoke the War Powers Act to bomb Iran’s nuclear facilities but NOW thinks it is constitutional for him to bomb the crap out of Libya for many months without congressional approval right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    It would seem that the constitution is just a god damn piece of paper, to be trotted out when expedient.

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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    The trouble with your questions are again the apple and tree frog type comparisons. The US is not invading Lybia on a pretext, outside the UN. As linked some time ago, there is question about what he has to as part of a UN mission. HAd he invaded Lybia like Bush did, sought to occupy the country and change regimes, building a base there, like Bush did, then you would have a proper comparison.
    You didn’t even read my questions did you? If you did, you are such a political hack that you can’t even answer them because to do so would force you to admit that Obama is engaging in an act of war that he said was unconstitutional while he was running for President.

    I won’t waste my time with you in the future unless it involves pointing out your hypocrisy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    It would seem that the constitution is just a god damn piece of paper, to be trotted out when expedient.

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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    You didn’t even read my questions did you? If you did, you are such a political hack that you can’t even answer them because to do so would force you to admit that Obama is engaging in an act of war that he said was unconstitutional while he was running for President.
    Partisan hacks are indeed forced to such things, and Boo is the picture included w/ the dictionary defintion.

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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    You seem to have ignored subparagraph (2) in which the President used by virtue of obtaining 3 UN Resolutions to commit armed forces to Libya.
    UN resolutons, not being US law, are not statutory authorizations.

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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

    Quote Originally Posted by PzKfW IVe View Post
    Partisan hacks are indeed forced to such things, and Boo is the picture included w/ the dictionary defintion.

    In Boo's defense, and I don't agree with him on much of anything, but I am sure we all have blocks to ideas that differ from what we believe, and that is what makes this experiment in debate fun. I for one hope he never changes, although I did like the earlier Boo when he was more analytical and less entrenched in deep liberalism.

    But I am sure he would say the same of me. So we go on.


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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    You didn’t even read my questions did you? If you did, you are such a political hack that you can’t even answer them because to do so would force you to admit that Obama is engaging in an act of war that he said was unconstitutional while he was running for President.

    I won’t waste my time with you in the future unless it involves pointing out your hypocrisy.


    Yes, I did. But I'm not interested in diversions. And as I noted a couple depend on acceptance of the false comparison. To answer, you would have to accept your comparison, which simply isn't a valid comparison.

    And that would apply to what you see as hypocracy. You see it that way because you seen unequal things as equal. As they are not, there is no hypocracy. Instead, there is an error in your reasoning.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    In Boo's defense, and I don't agree with him on much of anything, but I am sure we all have blocks to ideas that differ from what we believe, and that is what makes this experiment in debate fun. I for one hope he never changes, although I did like the earlier Boo when he was more analytical and less entrenched in deep liberalism.

    But I am sure he would say the same of me. So we go on.


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    J, I'm the same guy thinking the same way. The only real change is that I meet silliness with silliness more than I did when trying to enforce up2date's vision of WS.

    And no, I wouldn't say the same of you. I always have seen you as a decent fellow who feeds himself junk (AT and such) and often reasons poorly. I wish you would try to understand more and seek sterotypical nonsense to excuse your errors less.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the "Pee Wee Herman defense"

    "I know you are, but what am I".....lol
    Now, this is you dodging the point. Going with the personal attack as opposed to assessing the accuracy of the point. As no one has every claimed we be subserviant to the UN, you merely throw up a strawman. there is little other word for it.

    And if you as the bank are violating the contract I have recourse as well.

    Do you believe that we should answer to the UN?
    yes, there is recourse. But ignoreing it and pretending it doesn't exist isn't one of them. And no one says we answer to the UN. We answer to our agreements, our word, or signed agreements. Agian, you're failing to address the point and instead want to throw up something easier to beat. This is the very definition of strawman.



    "Interjected"???? Hey, pal! It's an open forum. You want a private conversation use the little button provided for that. Otherwise, stop whining....
    No one said you couldn't interject. Only noted that you did jump in. As someone jumping in, there is an expectation that your discussion is in that context.

    I have, and do write my reps. on this, I can tell you I always start out with US out of the UN, and UN out of the US!

    j-mac
    Which is quite proper. But until the proper recourse has occured, we're obligated to our agreements. Pretending that they don't exist is not proper recourse.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    what you see as hypocracy
    You see it that way because you seen unequal things as equal
    there is no hypocracy
    sterotypical nonsense
    subserviant
    dept chair, huh?

    LOL!

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