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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

    Quote Originally Posted by mattillac View Post
    http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/PLAW-10...-107publ40.htm



    The War Power Act sections mentioned above.

    War Powers Resolution of 1973


    I am no lawyer, but in my novice opinion any nation that could be even remotely linked to future acts of aggression towards the US or is interests abroad could be invaded without congressional authorization according to the legislation above. I think initially that allowed us to invade Afghanistan, it doesn't have a expiration date from what I have read and doesn't mention specific nations etc.

    It should be simple then for you to inform us on whom Lybia "planned, authorized,
    committed, or aided" or "harbored such organizations or persons, in order to prevent any
    future acts of international terrorism against the United States by such
    nations, organizations or persons." We'll be waiting.

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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

    See: Pan Am flight 103.

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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

    Quote Originally Posted by mattillac View Post
    See: Pan Am flight 103.
    What did that have to do with 9/11? Gaddaffi was cowed into giving up his Nuke program already. We had him under our thumb before the weak ass Obama got in.

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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

    Quote Originally Posted by mattillac View Post
    See: Pan Am flight 103.
    Yes, i remember Barrack Obama promising during the election campaign to attack Libya for the bombing of flight 103 and would ignore Congress in order to do so.

    Just kidding!

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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

    We had to get the lockerbie bomber. The euros let him go. He wasn't dying fast, it was taking forever. It was getting embarrassing.

    What else could we do? Go to Libya and say "Hey, he's not dying, he had alot of time to be with family and all that stuff, give him back".
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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    You don't even need to explain with these answers. All you need to do is say you agree or dissagree.

    1. Candidate Obama submitted a written response to the questions so it would be reasonable to expect that he was clear and complete on his positions/opinions. Agree or disagree?

    2. Candidate Obama was clearly asked to assume that the theoretical bombing was not a situation that involved stopping an imminent threat. Agree or disagree?

    3. Candidate Obama clearly stated that the President does not have the power “under the Constitution” to “attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation”. Agree or disagree?

    4. Candidate Obama was a Constitutional Law Professor at Harvard University so it would be reasonable to expect that he understands that the War Powers Resolution can’t supersede the Constitution unless it is an actual amendment to said Constitution. Agree or disagree?
    The trouble with your questions are again the apple and tree frog type comparisons. The US is not invading Lybia on a pretext, outside the UN. As linked some time ago, there is question about what he has to as part of a UN mission. HAd he invaded Lybia like Bush did, sought to occupy the country and change regimes, building a base there, like Bush did, then you would have a proper comparison.

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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    Obama is once again playing fast and loose with the Laws of the Nation, and it's time he got shut down.
    Wrong... Obama was well within his legal rights.

    When he took out OBL it was to protect the United states from more attacks from a sworn enemy who attacked us on 9/11 and was capable of doing it again.

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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    The trouble with your questions are again the apple and tree frog type comparisons. The US is not invading Lybia on a pretext, outside the UN. As linked some time ago, there is question about what he has to as part of a UN mission. HAd he invaded Lybia like Bush did, sought to occupy the country and change regimes, building a base there, like Bush did, then you would have a proper comparison.
    Two questions,

    1. Do we now answer to the UN?

    2. Is Obama's goal to see Gaddaffi out of power?

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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Two questions,

    1. Do we now answer to the UN?

    2. Is Obama's goal to see Gaddaffi out of power?

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    Question one. That's a silly strawman. You can have agreements, those we signed and ratified, and not be answering to the UN. We're only upholding our agreements. Many consider doing this to be proper.

    I don't know know if that is Obama's ultimate goal. If so, it is a mistake. We should never be in the business of enforcing regime change. That belongs to each individual nation and not from those outside. however, if the UN or even NATO undertakes a UN or NATO mission, and we have agreements to assist, that is not equal to what Bush did. The two are not comparable.

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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Question one. That's a silly strawman. You can have agreements, those we signed and ratified, and not be answering to the UN. We're only upholding our agreements. Many consider doing this to be proper.
    First of all, This overuse of accusation of using "strawman" arguments is a lazy tactic to avoid answering honestly. I thought you were smarter than that.

    Second, We can, and do have agreements with the UN that were ratified, however, that in NO WAY binds us to subjecting our military, or lives as dictated under UN mandate. Let them raise their own military.

    I don't know know if that is Obama's ultimate goal. If so, it is a mistake. We should never be in the business of enforcing regime change. That belongs to each individual nation and not from those outside. however, if the UN or even NATO undertakes a UN or NATO mission, and we have agreements to assist, that is not equal to what Bush did. The two are not comparable.
    You don't know if Obama want's Gaddaffi out of power? Where do you live? Do you see the news? Read a paper? Come on man, no one believes that. Sorry, try again.

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