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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Towhich, I believe you're referring to this:



    So, let's talk about it...

    We all know Congress and only Congress has the power to declare war again any nation. We also know that Pres. Obama committed armed forces to the Libyan campaign (civil war...whatever you wish to call it). Was what the President said wrong? No.

    He's 100% correct. But...

    Under the War Powers Act, he can commit our troops to military action for a limited time w/Congressional approval. So, there you go.
    True, but that window is closing fast. He is already past the 60 day bench mark, and closing in on the 90 day mark for congressional approval/declaration. However, when we hear of a president making proclaimations about not needing congress to continue, you have to wonder at the hubrus of the man.

    Backed up ofcourse, by the recent conversation he had with Ms. Brady about gun laws, telling her that he had to do more "under the radar" suggesting that he is less than truthful with the American people to begin with. But hey, any conservative could have told you this 2 plus years ago.

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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    True, but that window is closing fast. He is already past the 60 day bench mark, and closing in on the 90 day mark for congressional approval/declaration.
    I refer you to my post #328.

    However, when we hear of a president making proclaimations about not needing congress to continue, you have to wonder at the hubrus of the man.
    When exactly did he say that? If you're referring to the comments from the article in the OP, again, I refer you to my post #328.

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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    I refer you to my post #328.



    When exactly did he say that? If you're referring to the comments from the article in the OP, again, I refer you to my post #328.
    In that post I commend you for a thoughtful and clearly well researched opinion. However, I don't think that the WPA is vague enough to include inaction of congress as tacid approval as you contend.

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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    In that post I commend you for a thoughtful and clearly well researched opinion. However, I don't think that the WPA is vague enough to include inaction of congress as tacid approval as you contend.

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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Towhich, I believe you're referring to this:



    So, let's talk about it...

    We all know Congress and only Congress has the power to declare war again any nation. We also know that Pres. Obama committed armed forces to the Libyan campaign (civil war...whatever you wish to call it). Was what the President said wrong? No.

    He's 100% correct. But...

    Under the War Powers Act, he can commit our troops to military action for a limited time w/Congressional approval. So, there you go.
    Before we get into whether Obama complied with the War Powers Act, let us see if we can agree upon his position on this issue as a presidential candidate.

    1. Candidate Obama submitted a written response to the questions so it would be reasonable to expect that he was clear and complete on his positions/opinions. Agree or disagree?

    2. Candidate Obama was clearly asked to assume that the theoretical bombing was not a situation that involved stopping an imminent threat. Agree or disagree?

    3. Candidate Obama clearly stated that the President does not have the power “under the Constitution” to “attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation”. Agree or disagree?

    4. Candidate Obama was a Constitutional Law Professor at Harvard University so it would be reasonable to expect that he understands that the War Powers Resolution can’t supersede the Constitution unless it is an actual amendment to said Constitution. Agree or disagree?

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    It would seem that the constitution is just a god damn piece of paper, to be trotted out when expedient.

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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

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    Nah, I don't think so. But I can understand how you and Catawba might think so. See, I am somewhat of an idealogocal conservative myself, and can fully understand how one would delve into such delusion as to blind themselves to the truth. I once had that problem. I'd like to think that when we aren't sniping at each other, and having a real conversation that we could leave that behind, which is why I am willing to hold the question open, that you may drop the blinders and speak truthfully to the subject.

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    J, if anyone has that problem, you're still among them. We know this because you keep trying make different things appear alike. Your blinders don't allow you to see clear differences. I agree that you're nto alone, and such blindness isn't limited to any party. But, the fact is there are real differences here and if you don't see it, you have to know you have blind spot.

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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Secondly, while not as illegal as Bush's actions, nor as costly, I would still have prefered Obama went (sic) to congress.
    not as illegal?

    illegality by degree?

    LOL!

    you don't know what you're talking about

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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

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    not as illegal?

    illegality by degree?

    LOL!

    you don't know what you're talking about
    There are aras of gray, yes. Some of Bush's actions, for example, are more in a gray area than others.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    oh, absolutely, sydney

    barack the slasher's actions in libya are simply not quite as illegal as w-stands-for-what's-his-name's in iraq

    LOL!

    good thinking!

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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

    at the g8 yesterday in deauville:

    Obama Says U.S., France Resolve to Finish the Job in Libya

    aren't you glad that nato's doing all this instead of the united states?

    and isn't it gratifying to recognize that any real resolve to finish is gonna require our owning whatever it is that breaks?

    party on, peaceniks
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